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  1. in LL, there is no OUT for a thrown bat. Only warn then EJ. most kids have played T-ball and Pony or other instructional level ball before they're 9 years old, so throwing the bat is a habit that should have long been broken. I'd have no problems sleeping after EJ a 9 year old for a second offense in one game. It's a safety issue, plain and simple. Back to stupid Local rules, however, we've got one where warn, then can't bat because CBO is used. The kid can still play defense but is simply scratched from the BO.
  2. Aside from the findings of the grammar/spelling police, KLAH316 hit the nail on the head! These kids are just learning to swing a bat, throw and catch a ball, and run the bases in the right direction. No umpires needed, just coaches that "get it".
  3. I've only had one time when I had to take action because of a spectator (parent). This was back in the early 80's. I was calling a LL Senior League game, not at a facility, but at a ball field in the middle of nowhere. no dugouts, just wooden benches and the only fencing was a backstop and the outfield from foul line to foul line. Spectators, for the most part, brought lawn chars (no bleachers) and sat in DBT parallel to the foul lines. There was no administration present, no league board members or anything else. Just players, coaches, umpires (2) and spectators. The kids would get in the batter's box and "dig in" with their cleats. By the third inning, the batters box would be 1-2 inches lower than the playing field... meaning the strike zone was a little lower because their knees were lower. Anyhow, this one kid's dad would sit in in DBT out near the left field foul pole and holler about every pitch that would come in at knee height being low. Me and the other guys that called games for this league simply would ignore him. Then one day, this guy decided that he didn't want to be ignored any more, so he brought an electronic bull-horn with him, sat in his usual spot and did his usual bitching about low pitches. It happened that I had the plate that day. There comes a time when enough is enough, and the bull-horn was actually more than enough. I stopped play, sent both teams to their benches, and told the manager of the team that this guy belonged to, that we are done playing until the guy with the bull-horn leaves. Best part is, that when that knucklehead left, every person at the ball field, players, coaches and spectators alike, all cheered his departure.,
  4. I know this is an old thread, but after being pointed here from the 2013 LLWS thread, and then reading 8 pages of posts, I can't just let it go without commenting. Going back to the OP and the description given, the rule is actually quite clear: A STRIKE is a legal pitch which meets any of these conditions - (a) Is struck at by the batter and missed; condensed: "A STRIKE is a legal pitch which is struck at by the batter and missed" This definition is the reason why, unlike in softball, a baseball batter who squares to bunt does not have to pull his bat back on a ball for it to be called a ball, and why on check-swing appeals, the judgement is weather the batter struck at the ball (more oftenly described as "attempted to hit"). So to be purely technical about it, based on the description of the situation in the OP, it is a ball. IBB pitches are generally head-high and a yard or so outside. If a batter simply brings his bat across the plate at knee hight, making no attempt to get his bat anywhere close to the ball or even pointing it at the path of the ball, he is not STIKING AT and missing the ball, and the pitch should be, by rule, called a ball. I can see why so many people say it's a no-brainer strike, and were I to encounter this in a game, I'd be much more inclined to call a strike than a ball - afterall, "he swung the bat". In fact, on pretty much any pitch that the batter swings and misses, I have a strike. Besides, as a volunteer, I don't get paid enough to deal with the 5h!tstorm and EJ's that would ensue upon calling a ball when the kid swung the bat.
  5. LL will presumably adopt the edited rule, however for now umpires should follow the enforcement guidelines of PBUC since LL has published no guidelines in the RIM, Make the Right Call, or otherwise.. It CERTAINLY should NOT be treated differently in LL. thanks sdix00, that clarifies it quite a bit - especially the "why" it is written differently in the LL rules. I try to steer clear of MLB interpretation books (i.e. PBUC) as references, because most of us strictly LL volunteers don't have access to them. We don't belong to an association or anything and simply volunteer so that the kids can have games. The 2013 RIM, does make note of an interp that covers this in a way not as direct as the wording of OBR 6.05(g) in "The Right Call", which the league provides to our volunteer umps. I had one years ago and don't know what happened to it - have been relying on the RIM for the last several years. Thanks guys for all the input and feedback. I'll probably work several more games over the next month and a half. Maybe by the end of the season I'll have gotten rid of the rest of the rust
  6. Hmmmm 2.0 A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that settles on foul territory between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that bounds past first or third base on or over foul territory, or that first falls on foul territory beyond first or third base, or that, while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground. Close...as most of the batter's box is in foul, but that front inside part is not. so if the batter has is front foot in fair, while in the box, and if that fot is what the ball hits, then according to 2.0, it would be a fair ball, or with 6.05(f), an out. We all know that it's a foul ball, and I finally came up with references... I did a whole bunch of digging while waiting for replies, and came up with the following: There is a note in the RIM that is pulled from "The Right Call", which touches on it, and if you cross reference LL with OBR, LL's 6.05(f) maps to OBR 6.05(g). Problem being that LL for some reason decided to shorten the verbage. OBR 6.05(g) reads: His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batters box, see Rule 6.03, and in the umpire's judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball. a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled foul; Whereas, LL cut it down in 6.05(f) to simply read: a fair ball touches said batter before touching a fielder: No why LL removed the rest of the verbage is beyond me, but between cross-referencing with OBR (which is the closest rule set to LL) and the note in the RIM referencing "The Right Call" I at least have something more concrete than common knowledge to go on.
  7. Thanks guys. I was pretty sure - after the fact, that I kicked the call. To make absolutely certain, I'm looking for a specific rule to reference. Can anyone cite a rule or combination of rules that cover this?
  8. After a year away from umpiiring, had my first game last night (LL Majors). Mechanics a bit rusty - things like rushing my ball/strike calls, not getting down to 3B quick enough, general things that improve with doing more games. However, I did well enough that both teams have already contacted me for games next week (text messages at 6AM?). I had one call that I'm pretty sure I blew, but can't find it in the LL rule book or RIM, so I'm looking for a reference (which rule) to set myself straight (please, no OBR or FED references). I had a batter swing at a pitch and make contact, the ball bounced off the batter's foot (while still in the box) and rolled into fair territory. I called it a fair ball, but the more I think about it, I'm pretty sure I should have called it foul. I think where I confused things is that I know the batter is protected from being called out for INT while in the box, but am pretty sure it should have been called foul. I just want to be positive instead of pretty sure. I looked at the definition of foul ball - nada. Looked through rule 6 and couldn't find anything there either. Can someone point me to the rule?
  9. We're lucky to get volunteer umpires that aren't wearing a Mossy-Oak Jonh Deere hat backwards, along with jeans or shorts, AC/DC t-shirt and if we're really lucky, sneakers instead of flip-flops. So when I show up wearing my Flecheimer heather gray pants, my navy bue umpire shirt and combo-cap, I'm looking a lot more "umpire-ish" than everybody else. BTW, Heather gray with powder blue shirt was THE standard umpire uniform for much of the life of baseball (was still the case back when I started calling LL games). The shirts weren't pull-overs either, but cotton button-up shirts. It's only in recent history that the various associations have begun allowing pull-overs and all of the other colors (Navy, red, cream, black, etc.). What MLB does, so the rest of baseball follows. Where LL volunteers are concerned, in our league, if we get umps that even remotely resemble umpires, we're doing well. As for indicators (clickers!), a lot of leagues don't have scoreboards and have a mom, keeping the score book. I know if we have some wild and crazy action following a passed ball, I might forget to count the last pitch as a ball. When working Minors games, where every third pitch is a PB, and kids are running on each one, with the defense throwing the ball all over the place for five minutes, sometimes things get really nuts. I like my BU to have an indicator as a back-up in those situations. A subtle signal will tell me what he has for the count and help me out.
  10. Continuous Batting Order - Everyone on the roster is in the batting order, as opposed to only the 9 who currently have defensive positions.
  11. here we go with local rules again... our LL uses CBO and specifies that if a batter is injured and can not continue his at bat, he is out. I'm starting to wonder how they manage to keep their charter.
  12. I track that low outside pitch as far as I can see it, then it simply becomes an excercise of mentally extending the trajectory it had, to make the call. Another option is to get up higher so you can see over F2 (however, can lead to lots of bruises with these young ones).
  13. I'm looking for a little insight here... our local league has their own local rules, one of which is "no infield fly rule". Is it just me, or does that sound like a direct violation of LL rules. My understanding is that for Majors and Minors Divisions, at least, there are very few rules that are optional, and infield fly ain't one of them. http://ncllbaseball.com/PDFs/2012_LocalRules.pdf (under "Game Play") I wonder what the reaction in Williamsport would be - would this league keep their charter? Your thoughts?
  14. catoblue

    painful

    Well, did they? You certainly deserved it! I think the response was along the lines of What? No post-season? Our local league isn't hosting any tourneys this year :(
  15. catoblue

    painful

    How about the coach stay in the dugout and make sure their catcher keeps their gear on. This sounds like one of those where all the equipment is taken off after the half-inning and forgotten until after the third out. I hear ya and agree. Back when I coached, my F2's always were made to have their SG's and CP on if he wasn't batting or on the bases. As a manager, that is the smart thing to do, but these guys seemed oblivious to that line of thinking. At the point when they say they want to warm their F1, I went with the reasoning behind the rule (participation) and told them that any kid on their bench could wear a mask and warm F1 up.
  16. catoblue

    painful

    "Life" has done a pretty good job of getting in the way of me calling LL games this year, but I finally had an open evening on a night when a coach called to ask me to work his game. It was their last regular season game for a boys Minors team. Now as to why it was painful in more ways than one. First-off, I was hit more times in that one game than I usually am in an entire season. 4 to the mask, 6 to the CP, a dozen or more to the shins, one to the cup and a clean miss by F2 than nailed my left forearm a couple inches below the elbow (have that nice tattoo from the seam on the ball). I normally don't pay attention to spectators, but got a good laugh when, right after the loud smack of the ball hitting my arm, I hear from behind me "now THAT'S gonna leave a mark!", followed by, "we're gonna call your wife and tell her to be ready for you with a massage and a cold beer when you get home". The other part that was painful was that the teams were as unevenly matched as they get. Final score was 25-5. I was a little disgusted with the winning team coaches for running up the score like that. Back in my coaching days, if you are up by 10, the brakes are put on all baserunners - no stealing at all, no matter how many passed balls get to the backstop. There were four HBPs in the game. A couple of the F2's (not gonna call them catchers after the shelling I took) would turn to the side and flinch when a ball bounced in the dirt - getting hit in their unprotected ribs. I normally don't instruct players, but made a point of telling these guys not to turn because there aren't any pads on their sides or backs - let their equipment do its job. Had one coach ask me why I called a kid out on a fouled bunt attempt with 2 strikes. Had to keep both teams coaches from warming pitchers. Heard the "we always do it" from both, and I told them that it's very explicit in the rule book that coaches can not warm up pitchers - I also told both that they can have any of the kids on their bench put on a mask and mitt and come out to warm the pitcher up. No takers, so the pitchers only got 1 or 2 warm-up pitches each inning. It was a nice evening for baseball, and despite the shellacking that both me and the losing team took, it felt really good to be on the field again. Too bad it'll be next year before i get back out there :(
  17. catoblue

    CDP Umpires

    One of these years I'll make the short drive down the Thruway and check out CDP. I'm anxious to hear how your trip goes.
  18. How VERY true! LOL
  19. A good toss, and just from reading the OP, he actually gave the coach too much slack (waited too long to dump him). The second time he explained the call (mask off), the explanation should have ended with a stern "That's enough" with a stop sign. Any continued discussion on the matter and buh-bye!. Even if you go a bit on the lenient side of things and let that go as far as it did, the "blind" comment is an automatic.
  20. POLITELY bringing up the pitch that was fouled off would have, more likely than not, resulted in you checking on the count, correcting what you had, and the game moving forward. This is just another example of a rat going ballistic and getting tossed when he could have resolved the problem and stayed in the game by simply behaving like a civilized adult.
  21. in the OP it appears that the batter stepped out and argued the call - he gets a single "that's enough". That's the amount of leash I'm giving a 16 year old. "it was on the corner" was definitely the wrong response, but so are any of the others listed here. The only correct response to "That was a ball and you know it" is "that is arguing balls and strikes, that's enough". This is the point to take control and let the kid know that arguing balls and strikes is NOT going to happen. Forget telling him where it was, or the "I've been giving that one both ways all day" nonsense, and the LAST thing you should do on a called strike is say something like "hey, my bad...I went too far out on that one." You will get eaten alive! in the OP, the "get back in the box", is simply another way to say "that's enough" or "this conversation is over". All three are different ways to tell the batter that he's had all the leash he's going to get, and another tug on the leash will eliminate him from the game. If he's either too dense to get the point, or just being a punk, then he'll hand you his ticket so you can punch it for him. abso-freaking-lutely!
  22. you can pretty much tell when a rat is trying to intimidate and/or abuse a junior umpire. 100% in agreement with Mike and Stan - I have no use for that type of rat either and won't hesitate to give him directions to the parking lot.
  23. YOu had every right to get hot over that type of behavior. There is no room for adults to behave that way in youth sports... WHOOSH!!!! buh-bye!
  24. I'm thinking maybe the players should trade in their cleats for swim-fins!!!!! What an absolutely miserable spring!!!
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