Pitcher double leg kick without stopping motion

[Sean]

Is it legal for a pitcher to do a double leg kick in his motion before delivering the pitch?  

[Thunderheads]

Based on what you've said here, ... yes, it's legal as long as it's all one motion, or part of a single-larger motion.  There's a lefty who does this now in the MLB (can't remember his name)

[Jimurray]

2 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

Based on what you've said here, ... yes, it's legal as long as it's all one motion, or part of a single-larger motion.  There's a lefty who does this now in the MLB (can't remember his name)

Randy Bruns in NCAA doesn't like it. Calls it an alteration.

[Thunderheads]

Tyler Anderson was the guy I was referring to.  Is THIS what you mean @Sean

 

[umpstu]

1 hour ago, Thunderheads said:

Tyler Anderson was the guy I was referring to.  Is THIS what you mean @Sean

 

Wowza. Had never seen this before.

[SeeingEyeDog]

Nobody asked me but...not a fan. Even if he does it every time? He's still trying to deceive and...as portrayed? Legal.

Serious question...so, if he starts altering his delivery further (altering the alteration?) and does one pump some times and two pumps other times, we have a balk there, yes?

~Dawg

[Jimurray]

22 minutes ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Nobody asked me but...not a fan. Even if he does it every time? He's still trying to deceive and...as portrayed? Legal.

Serious question...so, if he starts altering his delivery further (altering the alteration?) and does one pump some times and two pumps other times, we have a balk there, yes?

~Dawg

I think NCAA would agree with you but MiLB and MLB umps would not

[Velho]

21 minutes ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Serious question...so, if he starts altering his delivery further (altering the alteration?) and does one pump some times and two pumps other times, we have a balk there, yes?

"HAHAAHAHAHAHA. No." - Nestor Cortes & Johnny Cueto

[MadMax]

On 3/25/2024 at 9:15 AM, Jimurray said:

Randy Bruns in NCAA doesn't like it. Calls it an alteration.

Randy “doesn’t like it” because it leads to college pitchers trying to out-do each other on eccentricities, and member coaches badger umpires of its legality… to no consistent response. 

There’s no way to write a rule to describe it comprehensively. 

[Velho]

On 3/26/2024 at 4:56 PM, MadMax said:

There’s no way to write a rule to describe it comprehensively. 

Exhibit A:

 

 

[Richvee]

8 hours ago, Velho said:

Exhibit A:

 

 

This is where it's headed if you allow Anderson's delivery. Some's gonna try 3 kicks, 4, etc. 

[flyingron]

As long as he delivers toward the plate after commencing this dance, what's the harm?  

What about Capps?