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21 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

All of this is just my opinion ... roast me as you will.

"Play ball!" starts the game.  "Play" resumes play the rest of the time.

 

The "Play Ball" rule tells us how to start the game but does not tell us to say that:

"5.01 Starting the Game (“Play Ball!”) (a)  At the time set for beginning the game the players of the home team shall take their defensive positions, the first batter of the visiting team shall take his position in the batter’s box, the umpire-in-chief shall call “Play,” and the game shall start."

But a crisp "Playball" is not a bad thing.

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It's one of those things that indicate the degree of training an umpire has received. A well-trained umpire will say, "Play!" to start the game.  A well-trained umpire will remove his mask with his left hand.  Same thing with saying "Time!" instead of "Dead ball!" Does it make a difference? Not really.

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7 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

It's one of those things that indicate the degree of training an umpire has received. A well-trained umpire will say, "Play!" to start the game.  A well-trained umpire will remove his mask with his left hand.  Same thing with saying "Time!" instead of "Dead ball!" Does it make a difference? Not really.

As long as "well trained" isn't misunderstood as "good", that's fine.

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1 hour ago, agdz59 said:

As long as "well trained" isn't misunderstood as "good", that's fine.

Often, these are interchangeable. There are good umpires who have minimal training and there are umpires who have attended many trainings who are not so good.

Some would suggest there is a cause and an effect. Others would say there is a strong correlation. There will always be outliers, but I am in the cause/effect camp.

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52 minutes ago, Kevin_K said:

Often, these are interchangeable. There are good umpires who have minimal training and there are umpires who have attended many trainings who are not so good.

Some would suggest there is a cause and an effect. Others would say there is a strong correlation. There will always be outliers, but I am in the cause/effect camp.

There will always be outliers as some among those being "well trained" already know everything and are not listening. That's when you hear about a kick and ask others if that was missed being covered in training, the answer being no it was covered. 

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On 7/13/2022 at 8:07 AM, maven said:

That's not a proper basketball mechanic, either. I've worked HS basketball for nearly 20 years now.

Unrelatedly: basketball is the ONLY HS sport in my state that has enough officials.

what's not to like with basketball. barrier to entry (clothing/equipment) is low. game fees are the same or better. game is shorter. 3 person crews. no working outside in the elements. non concussion risk. just what's not to like = the ONLY HIGH School sport having enough officials.

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25 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

what's not to like with basketball.

At the risk of answering a rhetorical question (not even a question mark, well done!), what's not to like is that fans and coaches are literally inches from the officials. Having them in your ear—and in some games you can hear even mumbled assessments of your performance—can be...aggravating.

When I was coming up, I was doing a middle school girls game. Every possession was marked by multiple travels, double dribbles, and generally poor ball control. I was at the point where I wasn't calling much yes, and hearing it from the parents and grandparents in attendance.

One particularly cantankerous grandma yelled at me, "how much are they paying you!?!"

I replied: "Oh, I'd work the game for free. They have to pay me to listen to you yahoos."

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Just now, maven said:

At the risk of answering a rhetorical question (not even a question mark, well done!), what's not to like is that fans and coaches are literally inches from the officials. Having them in your ear—and in some games you can hear even mumbled assessments of your performance—can be...aggravating.

When I was coming up, I was doing a middle school girls game. Every possession was marked by multiple travels, double dribbles, and generally poor ball control. I was at the point where I wasn't calling much yes, and hearing it from the parents and grandparents in attendance.

One particularly cantankerous grandma yelled at me, "how much are they paying you!?!"

I replied: "Oh, I'd work the game for free. They have to pay me to listen to you yahoos."

I guess since there is no fence, there's no problem talking to non-combatants in basketball? 

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46 minutes ago, agdz59 said:

I guess since there is no fence, there's no problem talking to non-combatants in basketball? 

I've worked 4 different sports, from youth through varsity, and the only time I've ever gotten into trouble with the state association was the time I asked the cheerleaders to move in a varsity boys basketball game. 

I'll stop the (thread) steal now.

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One particularly cantankerous grandma yelled at me, "how much are they paying you!?!"
I replied: "Oh, I'd work the game for free. They have to pay me to listen to you yahoos."


Top notch officiating; low notch fans & coaches.
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13 hours ago, maven said:

I've worked 4 different sports, from youth through varsity, and the only time I've ever gotten into trouble with the state association was the time I asked the cheerleaders to move in a varsity boys basketball game. 

I'll stop the (thread) steal now.

The issue wasn’t you asking them “to move” … the issue was you trying to get them to move to your hot tub.  😳

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15 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

what's not to like with basketball. barrier to entry (clothing/equipment) is low. game fees are the same or better. game is shorter. 3 person crews. no working outside in the elements. non concussion risk. just what's not to like = the ONLY HIGH School sport having enough officials.

More ejections occur in basketball than any other sport.

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On 7/12/2022 at 10:50 PM, Jimurray said:

In any baseball code "Balk" makes the ball dead. It's just in OBR/NCAA what time it makes it dead is dependent.

Not necessarily true, sometimes in OBR,“Balk” doesn’t makes the ball dead because the balk gets ignored due to the batter and all runners advancing. 

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