Replay Repurcussions

[Thunderheads]

I mentioned this in a post before, a few days ago, but I'd like to pinpoint the theory in it's own post;

 

I am seeing (and of course I may be wrong) that this replay process, and the fact that it's available and managers are using it, is actually improving manager/umpire relations.  You're not getting the stupid tirades from a manager that go on endlessly, but rather a quick question and request that can be granted!  It's done .... let's go look and see the video?

 

Now, ... if the manager is correct and a call gets overturned, he feels good and is supported by the process.  But, if the umpire's call is upheld, he then realizes how that call is upheld (tons of HD cameras at mega-slo-motion) and that the probability is extraordinarily high that the call was correct on the field.  It'll also, in this situation, make managers (and the general public) realize how good these guys are.

 

I hope this doesn't jinx what I've seen so far, ...but hope it continues ....

 

Thoughts?

[scrounge]

It's very early and we have a very small sample size, but I agree - the test will be when a manager has run out of challenges and there's a late game call that they vehemently request be reviewed but the umpire refuses. But these should be exceedingly rare...I imagine many will initiate the review, especially if the relatively quick reviews of late are the norm (avg review so far is about 90 seconds).

 

I'm optimistic that this will be a positive addition to the game

[grayhawk]

Perhaps this will propagate down to our level over time.  Not so many Earl Weaver wannabees out there after a while.  One can only hope...

[GoodOldGus]

I posted a similar thing earlier on a different thread.  It also pretty much eliminates the subsequent argument from the "non-challenging" coach.  Once the decision is made after the review, any further discussion or argument from any of the two coaches would welcome a quick hook. 

[Lala]

I know there are many potential reasons to be ejected but it will be interesting to see if the number of manager ejections for this season decreases compared to last (and on into the future).

Out of curiosity, do they differentiate between types of ejections in MLB for statistical purposes (arguing balls/strikes, out/safe, etc.)?

[BigUmpire]

 

 

I mentioned this in a post before, a few days ago, but I'd like to pinpoint the theory in it's own post;

 

I am seeing (and of course I may be wrong) that this replay process, and the fact that it's available and managers are using it, is actually improving manager/umpire relations.  You're not getting the stupid tirades from a manager that go on endlessly, but rather a quick question and request that can be granted!  It's done .... let's go look and see the video?

 

Now, ... if the manager is correct and a call gets overturned, he feels good and is supported by the process.  But, if the umpire's call is upheld, he then realizes how that call is upheld (tons of HD cameras at mega-slo-motion) and that the probability is extraordinarily high that the call was correct on the field.  It'll also, in this situation, make managers (and the general public) realize how good these guys are.

 

I hope this doesn't jinx what I've seen so far, ...but hope it continues ....

 

Thoughts?

 

This was my prediction last year when it was announced.

 

This will only get better AND faster.

 

What needs to happen next is to eject the coach that elects to “Put on a show†vs a legal, procedural challenge.

[dumbdumb]

I know there are many potential reasons to be ejected but it will be interesting to see if the number of manager ejections for this season decreases compared to last (and on into the future).

Out of curiosity, do they differentiate between types of ejections in MLB for statistical purposes (arguing balls/strikes, out/safe, etc.)?

They do keep up with those reasons for ejections on the site below. Find the umpire you are interested in and pull up the season you want to check out. Right after the umpires Special Event data, there is a list of all the ejections that umpire has been privileged to perform during their career. The reason for the ejection/dismissal are mentioned.

 

You can see the box scores of the games back to 1914. The ejections listed for the umpire go back further than that with Hank O'Day going back to 1895.

 

 

 

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/index.html#Umpires

[Lala]

I know there are many potential reasons to be ejected but it will be interesting to see if the number of manager ejections for this season decreases compared to last (and on into the future).

Out of curiosity, do they differentiate between types of ejections in MLB for statistical purposes (arguing balls/strikes, out/safe, etc.)?

They do keep up with those reasons for ejections on the site below. Find the umpire you are interested in and pull up the season you want to check out. Right after the umpires Special Event data, there is a list of all the ejections that umpire has been privileged to perform during their career. The reason for the ejection/dismissal are mentioned.

 

You can see the box scores of the games back to 1914. The ejections listed for the umpire go back further than that with Hank O'Day going back to 1895.

 

 

 

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/index.html#Umpires

Thanks dumbdumb. Great site!

[JHSump]

It may be that in time MLB umpires will see a change in the behavior of players, managers, and fans.

 

But, I am interested in what will happen down at my level of youth and high school baseball, including travel ball. Will the participants become more pleasant when they see less "bad role models" at the MLB level?  That would be nice.  Or, will the participants --- some of whom need to get their aggression out somewhere --- become less pleasant, since there won't be an "outlet" in watching MLB?

 

When MLB becomes all "daisies and sunshine," will there be a clamoring for some kind of "review" processes instituted in some "lower level" baseball?  Maybe first in travel ball tournaments where teams pay big bucks to play?  I could see an additional umpire sitting up in the booth watching "from above" during travel ball tournaments.  That umpire could be called upon to rule on a disputed call.  Or, you could even imagine some video replay.  But, I can imagine many ways replay at the lower levels would not measure up, and could cause more problems.

 

But, haha, let's see exactly how this plays out in MLB first.

[Lala]

I think if we do see change, it will take lots of time.  Many kids (and coaches) 10 and above have already probably watched lots of baseball where the players/coaches go crazy and are ejected.  Just look at SportsCenter.  If someone makes a show and then gets ejected its one of the highlights.  I wish they would handle it like streakers on the field.  Don't give them their 5 second of fame and don't even show it.  

 

As kids (and coaches) start to see ejections less and less I think we will start to see less and less at the lowers levels.  

[Fittske24]

If you ask me.... It's going to make things at our levels worse. Simply because players and coaches are going to try to compare plays at our level with plays that they see get over turned at the MLB level. I can here it now...."they at that same play last night in the Yankees game and it got over turned. What are you so sure you got it right?"

[sdix00]

I mentioned this on another thread before I saw this.  I agree that this will improve manager/player/umpire relations.  

 

I am actually looking more forward to how this affects the umpires.   The standard is changing and it matters less whether it looks like an out and more whether it IS an out.   Growing pains to start, as we are at 43% overturned (invalid sample size, though), but I expect the number to drop. 

 

Incidentally, if my job were in any way connected to my overturn percentage, I would honor a replay request any time I was 80%+ sure of my call.   I would take any opportunity to improve my ratio.   Anyone who has played Call of Duty online knows there are ways to make your metrics go up. 

[law_reb]

If you ask me.... It's going to make things at our levels worse. Simply because players and coaches are going to try to compare plays at our level with plays that they see get over turned at the MLB level. I can here it now...."they at that same play last night in the Yankees game and it got over turned. What are you so sure you got it right?"

 

 

Tuesday night I had a close play on a pick off attempt at 2nd base in a high school varsity game.  I call "safe".  What do I hear someone from the stands yell?  That's right, "Let's see what the replay says!  I bet it gets overturned!"  I expect we will hear more and more of this type of comment.  I can just imagine a scenario (especially at a USSSA tournament) where a fan or coach wants to show us their video to overturn a call.  I believe the MLB replay will make things harder for us,

[ricka56]

I can't find any ejections on the UEFL web page...just lots of replay reviews.

 

What will happen if replay review makes the UEFL obsolete? ...maybe turn it into the URFL.

[Lindsay]

I can't find any ejections on the UEFL web page...just lots of replay reviews.

 

What will happen if replay review makes the UEFL obsolete? ...maybe turn it into the URFL.

We'll still get ejections for balls/strikes and other reasons, probably a third less than last year, but they'll still exist. Historically, Opening Week is void of ejections.

[johnnyg08]

 

If you ask me.... It's going to make things at our levels worse. Simply because players and coaches are going to try to compare plays at our level with plays that they see get over turned at the MLB level. I can here it now...."they at that same play last night in the Yankees game and it got over turned. What are you so sure you got it right?"

 

 

Tuesday night I had a close play on a pick off attempt at 2nd base in a high school varsity game.  I call "safe".  What do I hear someone from the stands yell?  That's right, "Let's see what the replay says!  I bet it gets overturned!"  I expect we will hear more and more of this type of comment.  I can just imagine a scenario (especially at a USSSA tournament) where a fan or coach wants to show us their video to overturn a call.  I believe the MLB replay will make things harder for us,

 

 

I was watching a game last night with a casual fan…there was a play at 1st where the batter/runner was out by 1.5 steps (easily)….she goes…"that was close, better review it…"  Which has always been the case…people simply assume that we're wrong….but was absolutely ticked off that the mgr didn't ask for a review on that one.