Dropped Strike 3

[rjt6]

What exactly do you verbalize on the dropped strike 3 like what you say...

 

[mjr_2013]

On an uncaught third strike looking, you want to make your strike three looking call and vocal (while looking forward), and then clear the catcher while giving a "safe" signal for the uncaught.

 

On a strike three with a check swing, vocalize and sell "Yes he did!" immediately while pointing at the batter. Then clear the catcher and signal "safe".

 

On a strike three with a clear swing, just clear the catcher and signal "safe"

[BT_Blue]

I agree completely with the above. As for verbal it is "play on" followed by the safe mechanic.

(edited for verbal correctness)

Edited December 25, 2013 by BT_Blue

[umpstu]

I usually signal the safe signal and say play it loud enough for the batter and catcher to hear. If it's a check swing, obviously say yes he did.

[MidAmUmp]

"No catch!" While signaling safe. The catcher and batter need to HEAR something so they know what to do. Not verbalizing anything puts one or both at a disadvantage.

[umpstu]

"No catch!" While signaling safe. The catcher and batter need to HEAR something so they know what to do. Not verbalizing anything puts one or both at a disadvantage.

So, use no catch vice play it?

[Haid D' Salaami]

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

[MidAmUmp]

"No catch!" While signaling safe. The catcher and batter need to HEAR something so they know what to do. Not verbalizing anything puts one or both at a disadvantage.

So, use no catch vice play it?

Play it could be considered coaching the players which is protestable. No catch is proper umpire terminology.

[JaxRolo]

I agree completely with the above. As for verbal it is "play on" followed by the safe mechanic. (edited for verbal correctness)

I respectfully disagree with "play on" Say "no catch"

[Pete Peterson Sr]

What exactly do you verbalize on the dropped strike 3 like what you say...

 

 I respectfully disagree with the term "dropped" third strike. Uncaught is the more accurate term, plus some DA coach will be happy to tell you that his catcher "never dropped the ball. He caught it cleanly on the bounce".

[rjt6]

I remember while watching "The Third Team" last year, on a dropped strike 3, Gerry Davis said "On the swing!" I'm assuming that was on a check swing...

[BT_Blue]

"No catch!" While signaling safe. The catcher and batter need to HEAR something so they know what to do. Not verbalizing anything puts one or both at a disadvantage.

So, use no catch vice play it?

Play it could be considered coaching the players which is protestable. No catch is proper umpire terminology.  

I agree completely with the above. As for verbal it is "play on" followed by the safe mechanic.

(edited for verbal correctness)

I respectfully disagree with "play on"

Say "no catch"

I have said "play on" for a while. Because of this conversation I plan on asking the "powers that be" in my area what they would like me to do.

[ricka56]

"No catch!" While signaling safe. The catcher and batter need to HEAR something so they know what to do. Not verbalizing anything puts one or both at a disadvantage.

And for the same reasons I say "catch" when the pitch is caught near the dirt (catch/no catch not obvious). It lets B/F2 both know the status of B without them having to guess at my call or look for my non-verbal mechanic.

[Aging_Arbiter]

 

What exactly do you verbalize on the dropped strike 3 like what you say...

 

 I respectfully disagree with the term "dropped" third strike. Uncaught is the more accurate term, plus some DA coach will be happy to tell you that his catcher "never dropped the ball. He caught it cleanly on the bounce".

 

I have to agree with Sr. on this one.  Using proper terminology to begin with, will get you in the habit of thinking differently from the rats.  An "uncaught third strike" and a "dropped" third strike could mean the difference between night and day to a new coach.

[mstaylor]

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

[UmpTTS43]

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

That may be taught at Harry's but they fix it to the safe mechanic at PBUC.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

That may be taught at Harry's but they fix it to the safe mechanic at PBUC.

 

No they didnt....not when I went to PBUC in 2011.. the same way... I meant to say .. Like your point a first down..LOL

[JDavis225]

 

 

 

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

That may be taught at Harry's but they fix it to the safe mechanic at PBUC.

 

No they didnt....not when I went to PBUC in 2011.. the same way... I meant to say .. Like your point a first down..LOL

 

In 2013 it was a point to the right....not a safe signal. 

[UmpTTS43]

Maybe it's changed.

[alex7]

 

 

 

 

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

That may be taught at Harry's but they fix it to the safe mechanic at PBUC.

 

No they didnt....not when I went to PBUC in 2011.. the same way... I meant to say .. Like your point a first down..LOL

 

In 2013 it was a point to the right....not a safe signal. 

 

Did they share a reason / history for that signal being chosen, or did they just need to come up with a new signal for it?

[Mike Prince]

I am in the "no catch" verbalization camp, I also hold both arms out with clenched fists while I verbalize (can't remember where I was taught that).

 

This fall it backfired on me (well, not so much on me), there was an uncaught swinging third strike, I called "no catch" with the corresponding signal.  The ball was up the 1B line a bit so once the runner and catcher cleared the plate area I tailed them up the line to watch for running lane interference or a pulled foot by F3.  The 1BC had his runner stop and he walked right into a tag by F2 on his way back to the plate.  The coach thought I called "foul"...

[BigUmpire]

I was taught to clear the catcher, yell loudly “ no catch, no catch†shaking your head with a NO gesture making a safe sign and be prepared to trail the runner to first keeping the ball in your eye at all times.

[UmpTTS43]

I was incorrect. After a couple calls, both schools teach the one arm safe mechanic. Wasn't given the why's, didn't ask.

That being said, when i went to school and every college clinic I have ever been to teach and want the regular safe mechanic. It is also what we teach for Indy ball. I believe this mechanic leaves much less for misinterpretation. I will not be working affiliated ball from this point forward so I will be using the safe mechanic.

[UmpTTS43]

Just got done discussing the why. The safe mechanic is saved in the event that there is a no tag after the dropped third strike. This eliminates the double safe mechanic in those situations. They still use the verbal of No Catch. When the ball is caught, the out mechanic with the verbal Batter's Out.

That being said, I highly recommend that those working amateur ball use the safe mechanic on dropped third strikes. Everyone is on the same page at the pro level, including managers, players and umpires. This is not always the case in the amateur game and misinterpretations can happen, sometimes resulting in situations that could lead to arguments/ejections. Why place yourself in that situation when it could have easily been avoided?

Again, each to his own. For the record, the accepted college mechanic is the safe signal.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

 

 

" No catch" with a pointing out toward the right, like your signaling a no catch. That's how we learned at Harry's.

Point to the right like a no catch? Isn't a no catch a safe signal? I'm confused.

That may be taught at Harry's but they fix it to the safe mechanic at PBUC.

 

No they didnt....not when I went to PBUC in 2011.. the same way... I meant to say .. Like your point a first down..LOL

 

In 2013 it was a point to the right....not a safe signal. 

 

you went to PBUC in 2013... I meant the Eval course not TUS?