Replay fails to reverse HR/double call

[scrounge]

I don't blame him one bit for not seeing it in real-time, virtually no one did.

 

Not seeing it on replay, though? Oh, Angel....

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/08/as-lose-to-indians-after-angel-hernandez-blows-game-tying-hr-call-twice/

 

(with video at the link, couldn't directly link)

 

here's the video scrounge, ...I'll do it for you

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=26965213&topic_id=11493214&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_26965213&v=3

[OHUMP]

I was watching this and knew Melvin would be tossed when they left him on second.  I could not believe they say there wasn;t enough video evidence to reverse it.  I wonder what video they got to see?

[maven]

They see the un-enhanced replay, the first one you saw in the clip, which is not decisive. The A's broadcasters couldn't tell from that video either.

[scrounge]

They see the un-enhanced replay, the first one you saw in the clip, which is not decisive. The A's broadcasters couldn't tell from that video either.

 

So they may never have seen the close-up replay, the only one that shows the change of direction from the railing? If not, no wonder they didn't change it. And what's the point of replay then if the definitive angles and shots aren't used?

[Thunderheads]

Sorry, .... they had to have seen that while watching replay

[maven]

The enhancements are done in the truck by the broadcast crews. That feed never comes back into the park, except to the broadcast booth.

[Thunderheads]

The enhancements are done in the truck by the broadcast crews. That feed never comes back into the park, except to the broadcast booth.

then there's something wrong w/ the system

[Trakes2]

Guess who still has his Snap-Back hat on....

 

That is a rough call and doesn't look good on Angel....I don't want to hear about enhancements that was a Home Run, and you have got to be better than that!

[Umpire in Chief]

So... In real time all 4 feeds (2 home 2 away) the video shows the know it all announcers say off the wall, the fielders played it like it was off the wall. 

 

They reviewed as Melvin requested and they only get an unenhanced video to use as replay. And Hernandez stated there was not enough evidence to overturn. So lets crucify him.

 

Yes, the call was missed. But they followed the procedure and had to make a tough ruling.

[Thunderheads]

So... In real time all 4 feeds (2 home 2 away) the video shows the know it all announcers say off the wall, the fielders played it like it was off the wall. 

 

They reviewed as Melvin requested and they only get an unenhanced video to use as replay. And Hernandez stated there was not enough evidence to overturn. So lets crucify him.

 

Yes, the call was missed. But they followed the procedure and had to make a tough ruling.

that confirms my notion.........there's something wrong with the system

[Mike Prince]

Shows that replay isn't a perfect solution as some people (not on here!) make it out to be.

[Thunderheads]

Shows that replay isn't a perfect solution as some people (not on here!) make it out to be.

Mike, that's my point

 

If they're going to USE THE TECHNOLOGY....freaking USE THE TECHNOLOGY!

[scrounge]

Shows that replay isn't a perfect solution as some people (not on here!) make it out to be.

 

It can be a useful, not perfect but better, tool if they actually use it, but it's unfathomable to me as Jeff points out to have it but not use it. Football gets the same video feed as the booth, I think basketball and hockey do as well. What's so magical about baseball that prevents that?

[maven]

 

Shows that replay isn't a perfect solution as some people (not on here!) make it out to be.

Mike, that's my point

 

If they're going to USE THE TECHNOLOGY....freaking USE THE TECHNOLOGY!

 

 

There's a problem there: each team's broadcaster has its own truck and can enhance the video as it likes. It would raise fairness issues to use the feed from one team's truck and not the other.

 

It's certainly possible to add the video gear to each stadium to get a "neutral" enhancement; but then you have to pay for it, find a place for it, pay the crew to operate it, etc. So far, it hasn't been worth that expense.

[Thunderheads]

Why does it matter who's feed it is ..........if it makes a play conclusive under the 'video review' rule, ..............use it ...........I don't get it

[Mike Prince]

I thought I read somewhere that the home team video feed is used.  Regardless of which feed was used, it only took one look at any of them slowed down just a bit to see that ball hit the railing.

[Mike Prince]

Angel must have been adjusting his cap while the video was playing!

[Thunderheads]

Angel must have been adjusting his cap while the video was playing!

   

[maven]

Why does it matter who's feed it is ..........if it makes a play conclusive under the 'video review' rule, ..............use it ...........I don't get it

 

You've heard of Photoshop, right? I can make video do spooky things...

[Umpire in Chief]

I agree Jeff. While I'm not a fan of expanding replay, if they are going to use it use the best technology available.

[Mike Prince]

Perhaps MLB can follow the lead of the other major sports using replay and have a "booth official" who rules on video replays.  At least that would take some of the emotion out of the decision and remove the on-field crew from it.

[James Walker]

I'm with Jeff. The technology is there, use it. How complicated would it be to enhance the video in NY and get it to the crew?

[HeadHunterLA]

I wonder what they were given to look at because unless it was in black and white and on a casio wrist watch tv I don't know how in the hell they weren't able to see this.

[HeadHunterLA]

Relevant.

 

 

A technician and an official (either an umpire supervisor or former umpire) monitor all games occurring at any given time from MLB.com's office in New York City (similar to the NHL system). Though a player or coach may argue for a review, final determination of whether a review will occur lies solely with the umpire crew chief, usually after consultation with the rest of the umpiring crew. If a crew chief believes a replay is warranted, he will go to a special console installed at every ballpark – accompanied by one or more members of the umpiring crew – and call the technician using the phone attached to the console. The technician in turn will feed the appropriate footage to the television screen. Upon reviewing the footage, the umpire must see "clear and convincing evidence" that the call on the field was incorrect in order to reverse it. Additionally, in the case of a home run call that is reversed (e.g., to a double), the crew chief is responsible for the placement of baserunners where they should have ended up had the correct call been made.^[1]

General managers voted 25-5 in November 2007 on this system.^[2]

Further to their advertising deal with MLB during the 2008 season, all monitors used for the instant replay will be Sharp Aquos models.

[mstaylor]

I didn't think the umpires even got a feed,I thought the guy in NY did the actual viewing.

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