WOW ....

[Thunderheads]

What a mess..............

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18956579

[Mr Umpire]

I don't know what to say. I don't want to think about bashing an umpire. But, in a 4 man crew, this just seems like an easy call. I know we don't have Bucknor's angle on the play and can't see what may have happened to him during it. Maybe he lost sight of things for some reason. I don't know. The problem is there are a handful of umpires in MLB who are making it tough for the rest of them. Some of the calls and positioning decisions are just questionable at the very least.

From every view and even seeing it on the first time, I could tell it was not a catch. I am just wondering what Bucknor truly saw and why he saw it as a catch. Once changed, easy assumption that Gonzalez was gone. Manuel would have been if not changed. Everyone in the ball park could tell it wasn't a catch except Bucknor.

[Thunderheads]

I don't know what to say. I don't want to think about bashing an umpire. But, in a 4 man crew, this just seems like an easy call. I know we don't have Bucknor's angle on the play and can't see what may have happened to him during it. Maybe he lost sight of things for some reason. I don't know. The problem is there are a handful of umpires in MLB who are making it tough for the rest of them. Some of the calls and positioning decisions are just questionable at the very least.

From every view and even seeing it on the first time, I could tell it was not a catch. I am just wondering what Bucknor truly saw and why he saw it as a catch. Once changed, easy assumption that Gonzalez was gone. Manuel would have been if not changed. Everyone in the ball park could tell it wasn't a catch except Bucknor.

simply puzzling........

[noumpere]

From every view and even seeing it on the first time, I could tell it was not a catch. .

He probably got straightlined on the play and all the camera angles are from the side so this just shows the angle over distance concept. Plus the first time I saw the video at full speed I could tell the ball bounced but I couldnt tell if it bounced in the glove or on the grass prior to the glove.

[Fittske24]

From every view and even seeing it on the first time, I could tell it was not a catch. .

He probably got straightlined on the play and all the camera angles are from the side so this just shows the angle over distance concept. Plus the first time I saw the video at full speed I could tell the ball bounced but I couldnt tell if it bounced in the glove or on the grass prior to the glove.

I watched the game live last night, and there was a replay that the MLB highlight dosent show. The replay was a view straight down the line. When they ran it at full speed, it did look as if it may have been a catch and then the ball moved in the glove. It was not until they showed the side replays you could clearly see the ball bounce into the glove. If he was straight lined that my be a good explination.

[NFUA_44]

3-4 Steps to your right solves the problem. No idea why he was hugging the line, it's not like it was close to a F/F decision. Not to make excuses, but he probably got caught napping. He knew it to, he didn't even hesitate to get some help. Would have loved to heard the post game with the crew! This is definitely the wrong time of the year to be burping to much with playoff spots on the line.

[UmpTTS43]

It seems like everyone seems to think this was a no brainer call. It wasn't. Even with the replays, it is a very short hop and difficult to say whether or not the glove was underneath it. You have to make the call as soon as you see it. He saw a catch. From field level, I may have had the same call.

[NFUA_44]

It seems like everyone seems to think this was a no brainer call. It wasn't. Even with the replays, it is a very short hop and difficult to say whether or not the glove was underneath it. You have to make the call as soon as you see it. He saw a catch. From field level, I may have had the same call.

I would agree with you 100% that it's a much tougher call than what we have on slo mo replay, but I also believe he could have taken a little more time, and at least a somewhat better angle. If he's watching F9 go for the ball, he's gotta be aware of which way to break to get the "good" look and not be straight lined. It's easy to sit in front of this monitor and make the call, I could have easily done the same thing, but fortunately, I'll have this discussion to remind me of what I should be doing next time! :)

[carolinablue]

All you here from announcers and such ( players, coaches ) is just get the call right...blah,blah'blah. Then when they change a call and get it right you hear, I can't believe they just done that. What a joke.

[grayhawk]

All you here from announcers and such ( players, coaches ) is just get the call right...blah,blah'blah. Then when they change a call and get it right you hear, I can't believe they just done that. What a joke.

Not to mention the perpetuation of the "overrule" myth by the announcers. :shakehead:

[sdix00]

All you here from announcers and such ( players, coaches ) is just get the call right...blah,blah'blah. Then when they change a call and get it right you hear, I can't believe they just done that. What a joke.

I was thinking the same thing.

If I didn't know any better, I would think that Vince McMahon was pulling the strings in the MLB.

Our marketing plan:

No matter what, just argue.

It gets the natives all fired up and makes them buy our stuff.

Wresting has it's designated bad guys - Rick Flair, Roddy Piper, The Undertaker. They are designed to polarize the audience.

For MLB, it's the umpires.

I am amazed they aren't booing them when they enter the field.

[NFUA_44]

All you here from announcers and such ( players, coaches ) is just get the call right...blah,blah'blah. Then when they change a call and get it right you hear, I can't believe they just done that. What a joke.

I was thinking the same thing.

If I didn't know any better, I would think that Vince McMahon was pulling the strings in the MLB.

Our marketing plan:

No matter what, just argue.

It gets the natives all fired up and makes them buy our stuff.

Wresting has it's designated bad guys - Rick Flair, Roddy Piper, The Undertaker. They are designed to polarize the audience.

For MLB, it's the umpires.

I am amazed they aren't booing them when they enter the field.

And for the most part Mr. McMahon learned it from MLB! Let's face it, we have ALWAYS been the necessary evil. Without the rich history of confrontation and argument involved in the game there's a huge segment of the game itself that would be lost. Colorful characters from Cobb and Ruth, to Cox and Guillen wouldn't be who they are without an umpire to toss them. What would the announcers have to do without us to kick around? I mean can you imagine the game without the villans in uniform? Could you possibly watch Batman without the Joker, or Penguin?

[Umpete]

And if I might add....

A very congenial toss of Gonzalez - almost like he was told he was going to get run if he didn't stop, and he said OK you're gonna have to toss me then.

[boyinr]

It seems like everyone seems to think this was a no brainer call. It wasn't. Even with the replays, it is a very short hop and difficult to say whether or not the glove was underneath it. You have to make the call as soon as you see it. He saw a catch. From field level, I may have had the same call.

I respectfully disagree. These are the best umpires in the world working a four man crew under ideal conditions. There is no really good excuse for missing that call. Sorry to break away from the party line but, he should have been better than that in that situation.

[dumbdumb]

On 9/8/2011 at 7:56 PM, boyinr said:

On 9/8/2011 at 2:34 PM, UmpTTS43 said:

It seems like everyone seems to think this was a no brainer call. It wasn't. Even with the replays, it is a very short hop and difficult to say whether or not the glove was underneath it. You have to make the call as soon as you see it. He saw a catch. From field level, I may have had the same call.

I respectively disagree. These are the best umpires in the world working a four man crew under ideal conditions. There is no really good excuse for missing that call. Sorry to break away from the party line but, he should have been better than that in that situation.

These are the best umpires in the world working at this speed of play, working a four man crew under ideal conditions. This play and call is performed many times by many umpires who are the best at the speed of play that they are umpiring. There is no really good excuse for them missing this call where the first base umpire goes out on a trap/no trap into right field. Sorry to break away from the party line but, all umpires at their speed of play, should have all been better than that in this situation. But, just as this group, the best at the best speed of play that they are working, all miss calls. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Everyone misses this play sooner or later at whatever speed of play that they have advanced too. Technically, a miss is a miss no matter the degree of the miss. There is really no excuse for ever missing no matter the degree, but stuff happens. Doesn't matter how Best you are at any speed of ball.

[dumbdumb]

Does anyone have the combination to the MLB website where you can get the full speeded up version of the whole game on video without paying. It usually is 13 -15 minutes long. Seems like I did this quite a while back. I am not looking for the 2-4 minute abbreviated version of plays of the game, I would like to get back to that 10-15 minute one. It should not be any paid for version, just a freebee.

Where are you Thunder.

This reversal of the call probably saved Charlie another EJ.

[johnnyg08]

I am surprised that we're not talking about them changing the call and placing the runners. That was gutsy at the MLB level, but seeing it gives me the confidence and balls to be able to do this in my lowly amateur games that I do.

That was a bold move. I would tell Freddi, that "you know he didn't catch it, your player knows he didn't catch it, the entire stadium knows he didn't catch it, one or more of our umpires, including CB, possibly saying that he missed it, we're getting the call right, now go back to your dugout and you'll remain in the game."

[johnnyg08]

If I remember correctly Guccioni kicked one like this in New York in a playoff game against the Twins and he did not change his call.

Props to the guys for changing their call.

[Thunderheads]

Does anyone have the combination to the MLB website where you can get the full speeded up version of the whole game on video without paying. It usually is 13 -15 minutes long. Seems like I did this quite a while back. I am not looking for the 2-4 minute abbreviated version of plays of the game, I would like to get back to that 10-15 minute one. It should not be any paid for version, just a freebee.

Where are you Thunder.

This reversal of the call probably saved Charlie another EJ.

Game recaps...

Dumbdumb, what do you want from me dude,....I posted this thread ?!?! :angel4:

[Kevin Finnerty]

It seems like everyone seems to think this was a no brainer call. It wasn't. Even with the replays, it is a very short hop and difficult to say whether or not the glove was underneath it. You have to make the call as soon as you see it. He saw a catch. From field level, I may have had the same call.

I respectfully disagree. These are the best umpires in the world working a four man crew under ideal conditions. There is no really good excuse for missing that call. Sorry to break away from the party line but, he should have been better than that in that situation.

Yeah, but this time, it's C.B. Bucknor.

[Umpire in Chief]

I don't believe this was an easy call in real time.

But after re-watching the clip it reminds me of a similar situation I had (bit by the timing bug) a few years ago.

Nobody on, fly down the RF line and a diving catch. I quickly called no catch, and knew at that instant I kicked it. BR stopped at first (I think he knew it was a catch too.) I called time and walked up to my partner who was more junior than me.

I said something like, 'I kicked the $h1t out of that one. I want you to say something to me knodding your head yes and then I'm going to change my call.' And he did, and I did.

No arguements and we went along just fine.

Not saying that C.B. knew he'd missed the call, but how quickly and willing he was to go for help, it reminded me of my situation.