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tankmjg24

tankmjg24

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Situation occurred in a 10U game (that is all that needs to be said ). Assistant coach complains to PU that F1 is pitching while not in contact with the rubber. PU shuts him down. Rest of inning he is silently making motions in the coaching box and then starts to put his hands farther and farther apart. Inning ends and as he is going to the dugout he makes the motion with his hands again and starts to yell that the pitcher was this far off and we have to see it. I tell him to go to the dugout and he keeps going. I tell him 3 times to go to the dugout and he is still continuing. He then says that we need to do our jobs. At this point he was ejected. Given the age, the multiple warnings, and the last part which I took as personal, I feel as if it was a good ejection. Thoughts?

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JonnyCat
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10u. Dump all coaches at the plate meeting, and then have a pleasant game! 

Replacematt
Replacematt

There is no difference.

BigUmpire
BigUmpire

Umpire bumper sticker: ·      “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten up”- Bigumpire

maven

maven

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Multiple warnings = no warnings. Umpires who use multiple warnings are not conveying a warning, because the targets will not have any idea which one is the "real" warning, or when they've reached the edge.

Use ONE warning, and make it explicit: "Coach, if you continue to argue about this pitcher's positioning, you will be ejected and have to leave the confines of the field." Then do it.

Also, what was F1 doing? I've never seen this.

LRZ

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Your partner did not shut the AC down, he shut him up, but the AC continued his objectionable conduct by his hand gestures; his comments when the inning ended only compounded his offenses. Far too much rope.

You forgot the last element in the no-no cliché: "personal, profane, persistent."

My warning would be: "Coach, that's enough, knock it off."

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tankmjg24

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We had a 2 man crew, runners on base, and a mound that had way too much dirt on it. If the pitcher was not in contact with the pitching plate, there was no way we could see it. It would have been a total guess.

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Ump29

Ump29

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6 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

10u. Dump all coaches at the plate meeting, and then have a pleasant game! :D

Totally agree with this. This part should be in the humor section.

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Specks

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On ‎6‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 10:47 PM, tankmjg24 said:

Situation occurred in a 10U game (that is all that needs to be said emoji6.png ). Assistant coach complains to PU that F1 is pitching while not in contact with the rubber. PU shuts him down. Rest of inning he is silently making motions in the coaching box and then starts to put his hands farther and farther apart. Inning ends and as he is going to the dugout he makes the motion with his hands again and starts to yell that the pitcher was this far off and we have to see it. I tell him to go to the dugout and he keeps going. I tell him 3 times to go to the dugout and he is still continuing. He then says that we need to do our jobs. At this point he was ejected. Given the age, the multiple warnings, and the last part which I took as personal, I feel as if it was a good ejection. Thoughts?

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Don't let him, that's not his job

This is a statement not a question, don't think I would have even acknowledged him. Especially since it's an AC.

I never liked to tell a coach where to go (well maybe under my breath) and he may not think it's a warning, be specific. Also it's an AC, they don't get warnings only managers.

I don't think that's personal.

Stk004

Stk004

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8 minutes ago, Specks said:

Don't let him, that's not his job

This is a statement not a question, don't think I would have even acknowledged him. Especially since it's an AC.

I never liked to tell a coach where to go (well maybe under my breath) and he may not think it's a warning, be specific. Also it's an AC, they don't get warnings only managers.

I don't think that's personal.

"You need to do your job" isn't personal? 

Specks

Specks

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3 hours ago, Stk004 said:

"You need to do your job" isn't personal? 

I don't think so, I do need to do my job. Now if he says "you're lousy at your job" or "you're a crappy umpire" (I may be a crappy umpire but he doesn't get to say it) now that's personal! But just saying I need to do my job doesn't rise to that level for me. It's like when you hear a manager yell to an umpire to "bear down back there" to me it's sorta the same.

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Stk004

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Just now, Specks said:

I don't think so, I do need to do my job. Now if he says "you're lousy at your job" or "you're a crappy umpire" (I may be a crappy umpire but he doesn't get to say it) now that's personal! But just saying I need to do my job doesn't rise to that level for me. It's like when you hear a manager yell to an umpire to "bear down back there" to me it's sorta the same.

Interesting. The implication that I'm currently not doing my job sounds personal to me, but perhaps I'm in the minority there. 

Specks

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1 minute ago, Stk004 said:

Interesting. The implication that I'm currently not doing my job sounds personal to me, but perhaps I'm in the minority there. 

Oh he is implying it! He's just not saying it, to me that's the difference. As far as running him, he's an AC you should have ran him. His job is to assist the manager, he doesn't have any game administrative duties. I wasn't saying you shouldn't have EJ'd him i just would have went with "P"ersistant!

blue23ll

blue23ll

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Assistant coaches are to be seen and not heard, certainly if they are complaining or continually making noise. Particularly in little kids ball, deal with the manager and shut the assistants down very quickly. Summer/select/daddy coach/paid coach, its a circus out there, and if you throw out the loudest clown, the rest shut up. 

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ALStripes17

ALStripes17

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My warning would be: "Coach, that's enough, knock it off."

I suggest adopting the phrase "This is your warning. If you continue, (insert appropriate step response for level here)"


"Knock it off" isn't considered much of a warning. It's an acknowledgement.




IAWE: Ignore, Acknowledge, Warn (Restrict in FED), Eject.
BT_Blue

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13 minutes ago, ALStripes17 said:

"Knock it off" isn't considered much of much of a warning. It's an acknowledgement. 

It isn't considered a proper warning by any amateur baseball organization any more.

maven

maven

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1 hour ago, catsbackr said:

Any thought given to having the head coach shut the assistant coach down?

I would regard that as an "advanced" mechanic. The concern is that it takes some considerable experience to read the head coach's willingness to work with us to promote a smooth game.

If we get him on our side, that's great: we get the offender off our case, and we don't have to run anyone.

If we fail, that's bad: now we probably have to run 2 instead of 1, which is worse than twice as bad.

A smart head coach will recognize our efforts to keep is assistant in the game. But not all of them are smart.

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kstrunk

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I generally discern the head coach's willingness to police his own house by whether or not he even makes an effort of any kind. Does he at least call the AC's name, gesture for him to shut up, anything??? If not, he's either clueless or he's not the alpha on that team. In either case, sometimes a guy needs help getting his house in order. 

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BigUmpire

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On 6/28/2016 at 0:49 AM, blue23ll said:

Assistant coaches are to be seen and not heard, certainly if they are complaining or continually making noise. Particularly in little kids ball, deal with the manager and shut the assistants down very quickly. Summer/select/daddy coach/paid coach, its a circus out there, and if you throw out the loudest clown, the rest shut up. 

Umpire bumper sticker:

·      “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten up”- Bigumpire

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beerguy55

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5 hours ago, BigUmpire said:

Umpire bumper sticker:

·      “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten up”- Bigumpire

 

Much like I say about the boys who come to the house looking for my daughter.  I only have to kill one - after that word gets around.

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ElkOil

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On 6/26/2016 at 2:11 PM, tankmjg24 said:

We had a 2 man crew, runners on base, and a mound that had way too much dirt on it. If the pitcher was not in contact with the pitching plate, there was no way we could see it. It would have been a total guess.

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Why not explain that to the coaches? If an aspect of the field is so bad it's not playable, or limits your ability to officiate that aspect of it, that's an easy conversation to have and avoids the coach getting worked up i the first place.

lawump

lawump

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The only thing the AC gets to say while he is on the field (in the coach's box) is, "turn left!"

He's an AC.  He gets one short, terse warning.  If he continues, run him.

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