Rat coach on saturday

[GreyhoundAggie]

Had a varsity tournament doubleheader on Saturday. First game was a snoozer, 16-2 or something along those lines.

 

Second game was still not great baseball, but much closer, ended up like 7-4 or so.

 

Had two bangers at the plate during the game. The first was in the 4th inning or so. Ball hit to the outfield, R2 comes around and trys to score.

 

I dropped to 3BLX, the catcher fields the ball and tries a swipe tag, R2 slides headfirst to the outside of the line, avoids the tag, reaches arounds and touches the plate.

 

I signal "safe, no tag, no tag". The DC comes out to argue the play. I had a perfect view and I am 100% sure of my call. I told him that there was no tag and R2 was safe.

 

His words, "I find that hard to believe, but you are there and have a better view I guess"  I think you're missing some calls. I think you are." He then turned and walked away.

 

All I said was no sir. His last comment was in referring to the strike zone, although he hadn't said anything before that. But as he was walking away I didn't pursue him or warn him even though I should have at least warned him at the time.

 

Later in the game, it is now Top 7th. Defensive team from earlier is still losing and is now on offense. They have runners on R1 and R3 I think. Ball gets past the catcher.

 

R3 comes home. I drop to 3BLX again and have a perfect view. F1 gets the throw from the catcher and he slaps a tag on R3's feet right in front of home plate. I bang the hell out of him.

 

Head coach from earlier is coaching 3rd. He shouts something to the effect of "That's one right" Or something snarky along those lines. I point and say "That's your warning coach." He says "I'll take it"

 

I probably should have restricted him after that. But there was 1 out left, and I didn't want the paperwork. I was working with one of the higher ups in my association, and he said the same thing.

 

Just another coach being a rat.

[scrounge]

Yea, doesn't sound like you let too much go. If he was quiet and not making a scene on the first but just venting, ok, whatever, it's his opinion. The second, absolutely warn but unless he was particularly obnoxious or there was other sniping that drew a warning, I wouldn't restrict/EJ at that point either. Frankly, as rats go, this comes across as kinda mild.

[Thunderheads]

I'm ok with what happened as well.

 

I've had guys like this who are sort of argumentative, but they're doing it in a light-hearted manner (if that makes sense).  They're smirking/smiling when discussing their viewpoint, but never out of control or loud.  Those are the guys (usually) that have been around awhile ....

[GreyhoundAggie]

True,

 

My partner agreed with me. I know he was frustrated. I just haven't had many situations like this so far. I'm learning as each one comes up.

 

It was fairly mild I agree, he was just being particularly sniping on the second one. Yelling out from the coach's box instead of coming down to talking to me and yelling the retort for everyone to hear.

 

My partner thought I handled it right. Nothing to warrant an EJ, but he said the warning was well justified.

 

Just good to work on my game management, it's the weakest part of my game i think just due to lack of years.

 

Thanks for the feedback guys

[Welpe]

I think you handled both situations just fine.

[Jocko]

Theyre all rats. The good ones just disguise it better.

[BRUMP]

I wouldn't call a coach sir. It gives them the impression your their subordinate.

[yawetag]

I wouldn't call a coach sir. It gives them the impression your their subordinate.

 

I disagree. While I try to use a coach's name as much as possible, there are times I change it to Sir. Saying "Sir" is a sign of respect, not authority over you.

[th3]

I don't think they are all rats

[mstaylor]

I have no problem saying sir to a coach, many times I say it to players. It is simply a point of being polite. Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2

[GreyhoundAggie]

Theyre all rats. The good ones just disguise it better.

 

I disagree as well. Not all of them are. I had a terrible game Friday night. Was missing pitches, just not seeing the zone worth a damn, etc.

Neither coach said a word.

Of course the fact the final score was 17-0 maybe had something to do with it

 

I have no problem saying sir to a coach, many times I say it to players. It is simply a point of being polite. Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2

 

I agree. I address people as sir all the time. It is a mark of respect, not subordination. They refer to me as sir, I will do show the same courtesy.

[maineump]

I have no problem saying sir to a coach, many times I say it to players. It is simply a point of being polite. Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2

I am good with the sir for the coach and the players, and I would rather call them 'coach' than by their name - I am not great remembering names, and will not call one coach by his name and not the other - there are days I can't remember my own name

[Jocko]

I make it a priority to learn each HC's name and use it every time we speak. I write each one's name on his lineup. If I forget, I look. I want them to use my name as well. I hate being called "Blue." My durn partner called me blue Sunday and we know each other well.

[yawetag]

I make it a priority to learn each HC's name and use it every time we speak. I write each one's name on his lineup. If I forget, I look. I want them to use my name as well. I hate being called "Blue." My durn partner called me blue Sunday and we know each other well.

 

After accepting the lineup cards, I initial the top-left corner -- something I learned from an MLB ump.

 

After the coaches walk away from pre-game, the first thing I do is write their name on their respective lineup card. It helps me remember their names, both during and after the game.

 

I can't speak for most people, but it impresses me when someone I don't recognize remembers my name, and especially when someone I've never met knows it, so I try to do the same for the coaches. I'll even research their websites to try and get their names so I can use it the moment I walk on the field.

[Dannytheman]

I think this was handled great!  I am bad with name, and I am not reaching for my card to look. If you are HC you are Skip. If AM you are coach, and I am fine with being called Blue, I earned that.

[NCAAump2]

I agree with Andrew and Jocko.  I hate being called "blue" or "ump."  At the HS and college levels, I call coaches by name, make it a point to know their names before I walk on the field, and I expect them to use my names. Youth games or tournaments, it's not that big of a deal, but I still try to use coaches names there too.  

[BRUMP]

I wouldn't call a coach sir. It gives them the impression your their subordinate.

I disagree. While I try to use a coach's name as much as possible, there are times I change it to Sir. Saying "Sir" is a sign of respect, not authority over you.

For me the fact that in younger than all of the coaches I feel it may be seen as a sign of intimidation. My $.02

[spiritump]

 

I don't think they are all rats

give it time, you will change your mind

[th3]

its been a long time already - i have trouble putting people in categories i guess

[LMSANS]

I don't think they are all rats

give it time, you will change your mind

It's a shame you go into every game with such a negative attitude.  Most coaches are not rats.

[spiritump]

larry--I do not go in a game thinking anything aboutv a coach, I just know that the relationship with a coach should be kept at arms length, their job is to win and most coaches do not care how they win, as long as they win. It is our job to play the game with in the rules, at times it is not how the coaches play the game. You could be the best ump for 3 games but in the fourth game he feels that you as the ump are hurting his team,, then you will see what a RAT is. All coaches want to win and at any time they can turn into RATS.

[LMSANS]

That's a little different than what you said originally. Your attitude is getting more positive already😄 Larry Sansevere Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Jocko]

These guys have a job to do just like we do. However, theirs is their primary income. Most of us are part-timers. I understand their propensity to become somewhat overzealous at times. Doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day, they are not only trying to win games, they are potentially fighting for their job and family's livelihood. And, in that regard, they all have the Rat-itis epidemic.

Youth coaches are Rats by nature. They know WWWAAAYYYY less than they think (for the most part) and are willing to make absolutely ridiculous arguments. Ratus Maximus

[HokieUmp]

These guys have a job to do just like we do. However, theirs is their primary income. Most of us are part-timers. I understand their propensity to become somewhat overzealous at times. Doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day, they are not only trying to win games, they are potentially fighting for their job and family's livelihood.

Wait.  What?

 

How much do coaches get, then?  I was under the impression, both in Va and here at DoDDs schools, that it's just a couple grand stipend.  Now, that might be a lot of money, depending on the teacher salary they collect, but when you factor the hours they spend, it's not that much at all.  So, if they're coaching for their family's livelihood, they are living FAR above their means.  They'd be better off getting a side job at WalMart, or waiting tables.

[th3]

or umping