The Amazing Salberg catch + rule knowledge

[alex7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILDWdTMsan4

If you watched Sports Center's TOP plays today you saw them talk about this amazing game-ending catch by left fielder Derrick Salberg in the NWAACC. Was the final out of the game, so no catch-and-carry ruling need-be applied, but still something to think about as we rarely see it, especially over the homerun fence.

[johnnyg08]

Good post.

Yep, catch and bump a base.

[csabo17]

Wow. What a crazy catch. Thats probably the only park in the world you can make that kind of catch. A knee high fence?

Care to explain catch and cary rule? Something to do with leaving the field after making a catch?

[renegadewolf]

I can't speak for any other rule sets, but for OBR catch and carry goes a bit like this.... "If a fielder after catching a fly ball falls down in the dugout, or falls into a dugout, bench, stands or any other out-of-play territory while in possession of the ball, the base runner(s) shall be entitled to advance one base and the ball shall be dead" from PBUC Umpire Manual

[eric0531]

Here's a great article about the catch, and his team and coach.

http://sports.yahoo....giant-leap.html

[mjr_2013]

Situation: Instead of 4-2, say the game was 4-3, with a R3 and 2 outs... Same exact play occurs... Does the catch-and-carry rule apply with the catch being the 3rd out?

[sdix00]

The "Catch and Carry" rule does not cover Catching a ball and falling into DBT.

Rather it means If a fielder initially gains possession of an airborne batted ball on LBT, but enters DBT due to his momentum, the ball remains live if the fielder neither falls nor drops the ball onto DBT while voluntarily releasing it.

Therefore, a fielder can catch a batted ball, (or glove a batted or thrown ball) in LBT, Enter DBT, and, as long as he remains on his feet, he can then play the ball from DBT.

There is no "Catch and Carry" in FED.

MLB has an additional rule that says, if the fielder with the ball enters a spectator area, then the ball is dead regardless of whether the fielder remains on his feet and does not drop the ball.

[noumpere]

The "Catch and Carry" rule does not cover Catching a ball and falling into DBT.

Rather it means If a fielder initially gains possession of an airborne batted ball on LBT, but enters DBT due to his momentum, the ball remains live if the fielder neither falls nor drops the ball onto DBT while voluntarily releasing it.

That might be your definition but around here it means just what it says that theres a catch and then the ball is carried out of play and then whatever rules apply to the game being played apply. So the term applies to HS and College and Pro rules.

Oh yeah, the college rule on the play where the ball is caught and then the fielder jumps over the fence is the same as the HS rule and runners are awarded one base.

[johnnyg08]

If it is an intentional catch and carry into DBT, can we give them 2 bases, TOC? (Time of carry OOP)

[sdix00]

The "Catch and Carry" rule does not cover Catching a ball and falling into DBT.

Rather it means If a fielder initially gains possession of an airborne batted ball on LBT, but enters DBT due to his momentum, the ball remains live if the fielder neither falls nor drops the ball onto DBT while voluntarily releasing it.

That might be your definition but around here it means just what it says that theres a catch and then the ball is carried out of play and then whatever rules apply to the game being played apply. So the term applies to HS and College and Pro rules.

Oh yeah, the college rule on the play where the ball is caught and then the fielder jumps over the fence is the same as the HS rule and runners are awarded one base.

Holy crap. You are 100% correct.

Basically OBR defines it like I did.

But FED uses the same term to describe an entirely different application of rules for the same situation.

1000 apologies, renegade/

[Rich Ives]

The "Catch and Carry" rule does not cover Catching a ball and falling into DBT.

Rather it means If a fielder initially gains possession of an airborne batted ball on LBT, but enters DBT due to his momentum, the ball remains live if the fielder neither falls nor drops the ball onto DBT while voluntarily releasing it.

That might be your definition but around here it means just what it says that theres a catch and then the ball is carried out of play and then whatever rules apply to the game being played apply. So the term applies to HS and College and Pro rules.

Oh yeah, the college rule on the play where the ball is caught and then the fielder jumps over the fence is the same as the HS rule and runners are awarded one base.

NCAA 6-1-d

If a fielder, after making a legal catch, steps into a bench or dugout or steps into dead-ball territory but does not fall (lose body control), the ball is in play.

NCAA 8-3 m

m. For fields with fences, if a fielder legally catches a batted ball, and then jumps over or falls over or through the fence and retains the ball, the batter is out and the ball becomes dead. All runners advance one base. If a fair ball is dropped outside the fence, it becomes a home run. This same dead-ball ruling applies to foul flies legally caught near dugouts when the fielder falls into the dugout and retains the ball;

[noumpere]

If it is an intentional catch and carry into DBT, can we give them 2 bases, TOC? (Time of carry OOP)

That's only defined in HS ball.

[dumbdumb]

And if his whole body is totally on the other side of the fence in the air, in home run territory and he catches the ball it is an out, so long as none of his body has touched anything or the ground in home run territory prior to the catch. On this play his feet have not yet crossed over into home run territory when he catches the ball, but he could have caught the ball up until his back touched the ground with his whole body completely on the other side.

Very unfortunate that if a runner is tagging up from 2nd base and scores the tying run or go ahead run, he must be called back and placed on third base if the fielder falls down, yet if the fielder stays on his feet, the runner can score after tagging up on 2nd for the tying or go ahead run. Where is the fairness in that?

[alex7]

dumbdumb, fwiw if a fielder has to make a diving, leaping catch by the outfield wall, there's no way a runner at 2nd is tagging up on that play.

[dumbdumb]

dumbdumb, fwiw if a fielder has to make a diving, leaping catch by the outfield wall, there's no way a runner at 2nd is tagging up on that play.

Well noted.

However, I was talking about one of those fields over 400 feet to dead center and the player has a brain cramp, or the fielder is playing way back to start with and the runner wants to tag up rather than go 1/2 way.

[dumbdumb]

dumbdumb, fwiw if a fielder has to make a diving, leaping catch by the outfield wall, there's no way a runner at 2nd is tagging up on that play.

Well noted.

However, I was talking about one of those fields over 400 feet to dead center and the player has a brain cramp, or the fielder is playing way back to start with and the runner wants to tag up rather than go 1/2 way.

By the time the fielder can hurdle the fence with the catch, land on his feet without falling, turn and throw the ball the cutoff man, some of the sprinters in the league would have a good chance to score IMHO. Yet if he falls, they only get 1 base. You are rewarded for falling down on the catch, but penalized for standing up in this situation.

[noumpere]

but he could have caught the ball up until his back touched the ground with his whole body completely on the other side.

The position of his whole body doesnt matter unless hes laying on the ground. If the fielder is on his feet or in the air then only the feet matter and the specifics are diiferent in different rules codes as is whether a dead ball line is in play or out of play (but that part isnt relavent in this play where theres a fence)