Jerry Davis Pants Vs Smitty pants on Ump-Attire

[detailshp]

Was wondering if anyone could give feedback on the Gerry Davis pants versus the Smitty pants for sale on Ump-Attire? I need to replace a pair of plate pants and base pants. Most of the guys around me wear charcoal GD pants. Are the colors different on the Smitty pants vs the GD pants?

[Kevin Finnerty]

Was wondering if anyone could give feedback on the Gerry Davis pants versus the Smitty pants for sale on Ump-Attire? I need to replace a pair of plate pants and base pants. Most of the guys around me wear charcoal GD pants. Are the colors different on the Smitty pants vs the GD pants?

The color and finish of the Gerry Davis slacks are non-standard. The Smitty charcoal gray slacks are closer to the polywool standard look. Now that they have thicker belt loops, the Smittys look better than ever.

Then there's the hideous looking triple belt loop design in the back of the GDs. Absolutely ridiculous. It has no purpose and it looks horrible. Another strike against the GDs is that they bear a logo patch on the back. Levi's, they ain't; so what's with the logo patch? You want an extra strike? They fade into a color that is almost greenish.

I would say that, if you don't mind the extra labor of meticulously removing the logo patch and the two extra belt loops (there are risks involved: the slacks could rip), and you don't mind being mismatched with most or all upwardly mobile partners, then I would say, go ahead and pay more money and buy the Gerry Davis Signature charcoal slacks.

[NWA_UMP]

Here are the issues I have:

GD - The color is off from poly-wool slacks. Fabric is flat in appearance, one solid color that is dull. Yes it has a green tint.

Smitty - Slim cut pants...very little room to move, doesn't matter if they are plate or base. Double hook closure is hard to close.

Here are things I like:

GD - Fabric wears like iron. Have two pair that are in good shape even after two seasons of use. Roomy cut on plate and base pants...plenty of room to move. Elastic side adjuster on waist allows me to layer up and down with no issues.

Smitty - Fabric looks great and pants are built very well. Elastic side adjuster on waist allows me to layer up and down with no issues. Saddle seat in plate pants helps with durability.

For the record I wear GD pants...98% of partners in my area wear them...I always match! I don't like the look of the pants but are so much more comfortable than Smitty's. I would love it if GD used the Smitty fabric...I would buy in a NY minute...or if Smitty would build pants that have just a bit of room I would buy theirs! I have Smitty brand warm weather football pants as well...they will get replaced after one season...too fricking tight! I look like I am wear yoga pants with pockets that pooch open!

Here are my vitals:

6'2"

275lbs

20" neck

36" sleeve

48" chest

40" waist

Am I fat? Depends on who you ask. I am a former DI college lineman and I still carry that frame.

:2cents:

[Kevin Finnerty]

Ask me.

Sporting a 48/40 at 275 sounds mighty strong and powerful to me. I wouldn't say fat is the word. In fact, there are probably several other terms that you could use that are more flattering and descriptive than fat.

[Thunderheads]

Was wondering if anyone could give feedback on the Gerry Davis pants versus the Smitty pants for sale on Ump-Attire? I need to replace a pair of plate pants and base pants. Most of the guys around me wear charcoal GD pants. Are the colors different on the Smitty pants vs the GD pants?

The color and finish of the Gerry Davis slacks are non-standard. The Smitty charcoal gray slacks are closer to the polywool standard look. Now that they have thicker belt loops, the Smittys look better than ever.

Then there's the hideous looking triple belt loop design in the back of the GDs. Absolutely ridiculous. It has no purpose and it looks horrible. Another strike against the GDs is that they bear a logo patch on the back. Levi's, they ain't; so what's with the logo patch? You want an extra strike? They fade into a color that is almost greenish.

I would say that, if you don't mind the extra labor of meticulously removing the logo patch and the two extra belt loops (there are risks involved: the slacks could rip), and you don't mind being mismatched with most or all upwardly mobile partners, then I would say, go ahead and pay more money and buy the Gerry Davis Signature charcoal slacks.

Tranlsation = Smitty's :Cool2:

[noumpere]

There both good pants but different so if matching your partners is important then buy what most in your area buy. Kevin doesn't like them but several here who are at least equally respected love them and thats all they wear. And to be clear since my other message didnt get across right, I don't mean that as a slam against him.

[JaxRolo]

I agree with Kevin about the GD. I prefer the Smitty pants.

In your case buy the GD pants so you can match better.

[sdix00]

In the pic below, my two sons are wearing Smittys. I am wearing Honigs PBS1 Polywools. I am sure the guys on here know what the MiLB instructors are wearing. Maybe PBS1 or whatever the standard issue is.

My boys have 50 games each in their slacks. Interesting that they appear a little darker in this light. Sun is at 20 degrees directly in front (90 minutes before sunset).

Interesting that NWA_UMP says Smittys are slim cut. I am fat, and I think Smittys have too much room in the seat and crotch. I have also seen physically fit partners in these slacks and the combo slacks look baggy in the front from belt to crotch.

My older Son's new Association requires GDs. He loves them and says they feel like PJs. I will order a pair from Jim Kirk when I order his new Ultimate PWs in Jan. I need a pair so I can match partners who wear them.

Has anyone tried the Honigs Ultimates? They are $20 cheaper than the PWs and have an expander waist. Just wondering if anyone likes them, or are they exactly like Smitty? Are they a closer color match to the Honigs PWs?

[Thunderheads]

Smitty's can look darker in certain / lower light situations, like it shows on D!X sons ...

Here's a pic of me from this summer ...sun over top .... about 2pm in July in Michigan...

[Fittske24]

If you have no association requirements, go and get you some polywools from honig's. As far as I'm concerned, there are no other choices :-)

[JaxRolo]

If you have no association requirements, go and get you some polywools from honig's. As far as I'm concerned, there are no other choices :-)

Ok Ken you talked me in to it. Just PM me your credit card info. ;)

[Kevin Finnerty]

Has anyone tried the Honigs Ultimates? They are $20 cheaper than the PWs and have an expander waist. Just wondering if anyone likes them, or are they exactly like Smitty? Are they a closer color match to the Honigs PWs?

Let me issue a subtle warning:

DO NOT BUY THE ULTIMATES!

Never has the word ultimate been more misleading than with these damned things. I made the mistake of buying two at once, and only recently was able to give the second pair away without feeling too guilty. If I charged the guy 10 cents, I would have lost sleep.

The main issue is that they are called charcoal gray. They are most assuredly not charcoal, but rather a shade very close to heather. The second problem with the all-polyester Ultimates (yeah, right) is that they fade as quickly as any slacks I have tried. And I take good care of my uniforms (translation: I never let my wife wash, dry or press them), but still, they become heather gray almost immediately. The only thing about them that is good is the tuxedo buckles on the waist expanders. But that hardly makes them worth getting stuck with.

If you want to piss off the guys at Honig's, just call them and ask them why they describe their Ultimates as being charcoal gray when they're really a lot closer to heather. It's a real sore spot, but as of even this writing, they're still putting them out shamelessly as charcoal gray slacks.

Their polywools are worth every cent. Their Ultimates aren't worth the shipping charge.

[detailshp]

I already have 4 pairs of "ultimates" in charcoal grey ( I mean Heather grey ). I will not buy any more. I learned my lesson. About the only thing I like about them is the adjustable clasp on the side.

[JaxRolo]

I Agree.

Do not buy Honigs non-ultimates!

[D62 blue]

here in the OC , CA just to the north of kyle (i think) . majority of umpires where GD charcoal grey , i have know specific issues with the pants . they wear well and hold washing after washing with little care . we have an umpire here who sells them for $45.00 no tax . he sells alot of them as the new H S seasons starts to approach .

marc

[zm1283]

I'll put in another NO vote on the Honigs Ultimate pants.

I'll put in another YES vote on polywools. It's only about $25 more right now for polywools instead of one of those other brands. You'll be glad you did it later on.

[detailshp]

Thank you all for the input. To conform with the guys in my area, I will probably purchase the GD. Now, where can I get those on sale or cheapest? Any suggestions?

Most of the guys I work with on the HS level are wearing the ultimates, and when I do travel and minor college, they are all wearing the GD.

[stl_ump]

Ask me.

Sporting a 48/40 at 275 sounds mighty strong and powerful to me. I wouldn't say fat is the word. In fact, there are probably several other terms that you could use that are more flattering and descriptive than fat.

Person of Size? :rolleyes:

[catsbackr]

sdix00,

I don't think you can get GD from Jim Kirk, only from GD.

detailshp,

I'm pretty sure the only place to get GD is GD, unless you find them on ebay.

I love the GD, they are standard in both of my associations and are bullet-proof and roomy.

NO, on the Ultimates from me too.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Thank you all for the input. To conform with the guys in my area, I will probably purchase the GD. Now, where can I get those on sale or cheapest? Any suggestions?

Most of the guys I work with on the HS level are wearing the ultimates, and when I do travel and minor college, they are all wearing the GD.

Just so you know---universally speaking and not just my opinion---the standard is Honig's polywools, and the Smitty's look very much like them now that they have the beefier belt loops. So they come closer to the standard than even Honig's own alternative offering---the [less than] Ultimates. The GDs are the non-standard alternative, like Official's Choice or other knock-offs. By going that route, you are not conforming at all, really. Gerry Davis himself wears polywools, for crying out loud.

[kylejt]

I think the GD have a place in my bag. I use them for muddy days, or when I work the plate on a knee with little guys, or my partner has nothing else. They get some use throughout the year. They're at the bottom of my bag, just over a couple pair of heathers.

But honestly, they're not even close in quality, fit, feel and looks of the polywools.

Everyone's situation is different, though, so it's not a big deal to me.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Nor is it a big deal to me, as long as everyone knows that they should NOT BUY THE ULTIMATES!

[gatoremt]

I wear Smitty's and I am NO WHERE NEAR Slim. I have big thighs and I find them a little to big in the crotch area also. But I love them. I do wish they were a little thinner but I have 2 pair of the plate pants and they still look brand new. I also wear a pair of GD combos in the field and have not had any problems with them either.

[Kevin Finnerty]

The forecast called for rain, so I got out my old Gerry Davises, and got ready for a little Sunday mudball, but it rained too damned much and our twin-bill got banged.

I will say that they definitely have a use. They recover well from getting all soiled and muddy---even if they do look bluish green in a certain light. So if you wear them when there is no direct sunlight, they're not bad.

[Umpire in Chief]

My # 1 observation for the GD pants is that they have no texture unlike most popular charcoal and heather pants. I think this is what lends to the green tint in certain lights. I've seen people wearing them and thought they look good and I've seen then where I think WTF? This alone would keep me away from them. But I believe several people here have said they are the required pants of their college association.