Catcher interference on pop out to pitcher?

[Guest Bill P.]

We had a confusing play happen today in youth fall ball (little league rules).  A batter popped up to the pitcher but ran in to the catcher as he was trying to run to first.  The contact occurred in the base path maybe 1/3rd up the first base line.  The pitcher caught the ball right around the mound area... the catcher had no chance of making the catch.  Is this interference on the catcher?   

[Jimurray]

39 minutes ago, Guest Bill P. said:

We had a confusing play happen today in youth fall ball (little league rules).  A batter popped up to the pitcher but ran in to the catcher as he was trying to run to first.  The contact occurred in the base path maybe 1/3rd up the first base line.  The pitcher caught the ball right around the mound area... the catcher had no chance of making the catch.  Is this interference on the catcher?   

it would be obstruction on the catcher if the ball was dropped. Since it was caught for an out it's nothing. 

[Guest Bill P.]

7 hours ago, Jimurray said:

it would be obstruction on the catcher if the ball was dropped. Since it was caught for an out it's nothing. 

Thanks!   

[Biscuit]

On 10/25/2019 at 10:26 PM, Jimurray said:

it would be obstruction on the catcher if the ball was dropped. Since it was caught for an out it's nothing. 

This only applies to the BR, correct? For example:

R2, no outs. Line drive, caught by F4. F6 obstructs R2 as R2 is returning to second, but F4 barely beats R2 back to the base.

You'd have an out for the catch, and R2 safely back to second on the obstruction, right? Obviously both coaches are mad, but c'est la vie.

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, Biscuit said:

This only applies to the BR, correct? For example:

R2, no outs. Line drive, caught by F4. F6 obstructs R2 as R2 is returning to second, but F4 barely beats R2 back to the base.

You'd have an out for the catch, and R2 safely back to second on the obstruction, right? Obviously both coaches are mad, but c'est la vie.

If you ruled obstruction on F6 then R2 would get 3B.

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, Biscuit said:

This only applies to the BR, correct? For example:

R2, no outs. Line drive, caught by F4. F6 obstructs R2 as R2 is returning to second, but F4 barely beats R2 back to the base.

You'd have an out for the catch, and R2 safely back to second on the obstruction, right? Obviously both coaches are mad, but c'est la vie.

Yes, fly balls and line drives to the infield and outfield where the BR is obstructed before 1B. Leave the ball live until it is caught or dropped. If caught leave the ball live and the BR is out. 

That's type 1 Obstruction on R2. Award 3B.

[maven]

2 hours ago, Biscuit said:

This only applies to the BR, correct?

It applies to all runners who are out because of the caught fly ball and thus not possibly obstructed.

[Biscuit]

2 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

If you ruled obstruction on F6 then R2 would get 3B.

 

1 hour ago, Jimurray said:

Yes, fly balls and line drives to the infield and outfield where the BR is obstructed before 1B. Leave the ball live until it is caught or dropped. If caught leave the ball live and the BR is out. 

That's type 1 Obstruction on R2. Award 3B.

Didn't even think about it being type 1, but y'all are right. Duh!

[Rich Ives]

55 minutes ago, maven said:

It applies to all runners who are out because of the caught fly ball and thus not possibly obstructed.

???????????  What other runner would be out on a catch?

[maven]

Slow today, coach?

[Rich Ives]

Just now, maven said:

Slow today, coach?

No. What other runner could be out because of the catch and "thus not possibly obstructed."?  Hogwash. The may have to re-touch because it was caught but that's an appeal play  and  they  can certainly be obstructed while making the attempt.

[noumpere]

9 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

No. What other runner could be out because of the catch and "thus not possibly obstructed."?  Hogwash. The may have to re-touch because it was caught but that's an appeal play  and  they  can certainly be obstructed while making the attempt.

He;s trying to explain not only the "what" to Biscuit but also the "why" -- since the fly was caught, the OBS didn't affect BR, so there's no penalty; any OBS *does* affect other runners, so there's a penalty (even if the penalty really results in the same thing as no penalty, in some instances).

[maven]

1 hour ago, noumpere said:

He;s trying to explain not only the "what" to Biscuit but also the "why" -- since the fly was caught, the OBS didn't affect BR, so there's no penalty; any OBS *does* affect other runners, so there's a penalty (even if the penalty really results in the same thing as no penalty, in some instances).

[spark2212]

3 hours ago, Rich Ives said:

???????????  What other runner would be out on a catch?

Any runner could be out as soon as the ball is caught if the fielder caught it while making contact with the base they came from. I don’t know if that’s the same thing as “being out on the catch.”

[Mister B]

Having a hard time figuring out how the 2 collide 20 feet up the line, with B/R running into F2. 

If it's closer, would it be tangle/untangle?

[noumpere]

14 hours ago, spark2212 said:

Any runner could be out as soon as the ball is caught if the fielder caught it while making contact with the base they came from. I don’t know if that’s the same thing as “being out on the catch.”

It does not.  It's "being out on appeal."

[Replacematt]

18 hours ago, Mister B said:

Having a hard time figuring out how the 2 collide 20 feet up the line, with B/R running into F2. 

If it's closer, would it be tangle/untangle?

That would be pretty hard, since the purpose of that exception is to allow F2 to play a ball near home plate.

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

That would be pretty hard, since the purpose of that exception is to allow F2 to play a ball near home plate.

I guess the question is whether the rule for when F2 does have play near home plate, or could - at the moment of the popup F2 is going to move to the ball; that the ball eventually comes down to F1 on the mound is not really relevant to what immediately happens after the ball is batted - a fly ball ending up at the mound is close enough where it's reasonable for F2 to think he has a play on the ball, immediately after it is hit, until he assesses it's moving away from him and he can't make it - imagine a high fly that is initially right above the plate, that for any number of reasons moves/arcs towards the mound.  The tangle/untangle can definitely happen before it's clear that the ball is moving away from the plate.

I'm trying to figure out how F2 finds himself in the way of B/R 20 feet up the line....even if B/R decides to stare at the ball for a few seconds before running that doesn't explain how/why F2 is in his way that far up the line.

[Replacematt]

1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

I guess the question is whether the rule for when F2 does have play near home plate, or could - at the moment of the popup F2 is going to move to the ball; that the ball eventually comes down to F1 on the mound is not really relevant to what immediately happens after the ball is batted - a fly ball ending up at the mound is close enough where it's reasonable for F2 to think he has a play on the ball, immediately after it is hit, until he assesses it's moving away from him and he can't make it - imagine a high fly that is initially right above the plate, that for any number of reasons moves/arcs towards the mound.  The tangle/untangle can definitely happen before it's clear that the ball is moving away from the plate.

That's a long sentence.

I'd be patient with this, but as soon as I know that F2 never had a reasonable chance at the ball in the vicinity of home plate, I'm acknowledging the OBS. If that ball falls uncaught, it's Type 1. If it's caught, it's ignored.