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  1. Huh. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would they change the entire way you call it for this one circumstance?
  2. A force out is one where the runner was forced too advance due to the batter becoming a runner and is retired before reaching the base he was forced to. Therefore, the BR can never be forced out, though it looks very similar at first and is essentially the same. If the BR is retired before reaching first on a play the third out is recorded on, no runs can score. So, if the BR abandons his attempt to first for the third out, it doesn't matter what happens, no runs score. Similarly, if the third out is a force out, no runs score. In your situation, R1 is forced to second and is retired for the third out before reaching the base he was forced to. Thus, no runs would score.
  3. Be careful, you might learn the rules too well and decide to become one of us! "The rule book is a pathway to an enjoyment of sports some consider to be... Unnatural" -Sheev Palpatine, probably.
  4. If all you're having done is getting it hemmed, you may consider doing it yourself. You'll need someone to help measure it, but hemming is actually very easy to do, even if you're not a handy semster (I don't think that's a word...)
  5. Biscuit

    NCAA Test

    Good thing this question popped up so I didn't learn I missed it wrong from a coach!
  6. Biscuit

    NCAA Test

    I don't work NCAA, so I have no idea in that set, but under OBR, could we not have the batter out on strikes, and then, potentially, and out on one of the runners for the interference by the batter?
  7. The only judgement is if the runner was in his normal baseruning actions. Going back to the dugout is NOT a part of running the bases, therefore he has no protection. Any hindrance is interference. Not a lot of judgement, and I don't really think this is HTBT.
  8. Why would you punish the defense for the offense being in the wrong place at the (if you don't call int) right time? Someone was doing something they shouldn't, and one way or the other, someone will be disadvantaged. I'd much rather put the person who is in the wrong at a disadvantage than someone doing what they're supposed too.
  9. Sounds right to me, but I'm certainly not super comfortable with this rule yet either.
  10. I was referring to the action of stepping onto the rubber with hands already together.
  11. I distinctly remember this situation being a "time, don't do that". Is that a difference between OBR and FED?
  12. He can, but it's risky. If he completes the inside move, but the runner doesn't go, he has balked.
  13. There isn't. At least, not in pure OBR.
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    Verbal Appeals

    I believe that @Senor Azul (correct me if I'm wrong) is pointing out that Verbal appeals are not valid in this case. A proper live ball appeal is still a valid appeal under FED rules, and is (more or less) the same as OBR in its requirements.
  15. Except for the action of oversliding, but we're well past that point if I understand the play correctly.
  16. I somehow missed the part where the player initiated the conversation... I was thinking it happened something like the catcher looked at the miss, then at @The Man in Blue, and then he said "you saw that too?" I should've checked that before responding to @beerguy55, as he quoted the part of the conversation I missed. Then your comment about the play at the plate, which, with what I had in mind I absolutely would not uphold, but with the full conversation I would, made me check and realize my error. My apologies to all three of you for my mistake reading the thread.
  17. If I know the player knows what an appeal is, sure. That alone isn't enough to let me know that they know though, and if they don't know it exists, it was not an intentional appeal.
  18. Not even. Her acknowledging that the runner missed the base is not an appeal attempt. At least, its not a clear attempt.
  19. I think you misunderstood me. I've never called a game that played under LL rules, so I've never had a reason to read that specific set of rules. I've read the OBR rules a number of times. This spring I'll be calling games under FED for the first time, and I'm currently reading through the rule book and case book. I have no intention of going in blind (though I'm sure there'll be growing pains going back and forth from FED and OBR) Look, I'm not saying my path started well. In fact, I'd say it's about the worst way possible. I got lucky and that's why I'm here. The whole point was that some umpires are put on the field with almost no training or support. And look, it's not like I was getting blind sided on the field and just going "huh. I wonder how that should've gone. Oh well!" I would look up situations, I just wasn't very good at it and didn't understand all of the underlying rules. The solution is too read the book. I know that now, I didn't then. I wanted to get better, I just was bad at it and had no one to turn to. (Shout out to umpire bible. May not be the best resource, but without it I don't know I would've ever got to the point that I realized there was another world of umpiring out there.) That be said, the fact that it took me so long to read the book through is bad. No excuses for that, despite the fact that I was put in a bad situation to advance.
  20. Never called little league, not sure I ever will. This year I'll start calling FED, but prior to that I've always done modified OBR. Agree with you in principle though.
  21. If that's exactly how it went down that doesn't sound like an appeal to me (at least, not I baseball.)
  22. I absolutely agree. It would have been better for everyone involved if I had at an earlier point, but I was never given any direction in how to improve, or even how too start. That's my point. I was thrown into the deep end with no direction, no training, and very little to no supervision. I probably should have thought too open the book, but I was stumbling around blind, as I believe many new umpires are. For the record, when my little brother started officiating this year, the first thing I made him do was sit down and read the rule book. We'll be doing it again here pretty soon for baseball.
  23. I'll tell you what my training was before the first time I stepped on a field was. One 2 hour session taught by someone who didn't know what they were talking about, and a couple hours spent googling. Seriously. I don't think I actually picked up a rule book until just before year 3. That led to finding this site and starting to grasp how little I knew and how to improve. I still don't claim to be an expert (well, actually, in non umpiring groups I do), but I actually know the rules to the point that I can work out thorny rules issues or remember a relatively obscure rule and apply it correctly live*. Granted, I started doing this for a relatively small and wholly noncompetitive rec league at age 14, but leagues are so desperate for umpires that they'll put any warm body on the field that vaguely knows the rules. I look back in horror that I'd be allowed to adjudicate a game I knew so little about. @Young_Ump I agree with @beerguy55, this is something you should know. But you certainly shouldn't feel bad about not knowing it. Just use this as an experience to push yourself to learn something new and go find something else you don't know. Personally, my recommendation would be to A) Read every non equipment post on this site from here on out. This is the way I found out how much I didn't (and still don't) know. There are a ton of plays and rulings that come from interpretations and collective experience you can't find in the rule book. With that said, B) Read the rule book of the code(s) you call front to back. If you work a code(s) that has a case book, dive into that after or simultaneously with the rule book. As you come across rules you don't understand how too apply, google them. I will often have my first search specifically look for this site, like "thrown equipment umpire empire". If you apply yourself, you can make huge advances, especially at the start, by soaking up all the information you can. I'm going through the process of learning basketball as an official and the amount I'm learning is crazy. Good luck! *Nailing an intentionally dropped ball in the highest level game I've worked with a college umpire behind the plate is still the highlight of my umpiring career. That one felt good.
  24. OP says the ball was left in the glove. I can't imagine that he'd somehow trap it, then in the process of flipping the glove over as he took his hand out scooped it up. I guess it's possible, but I doubt that's what happened.
  25. Why was this not a catch? Did it bounce? Otherwise I don't see how the ball could stay in the glove if he didn't have control at one point.
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