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Umpire in Chief

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I took the test a little too quickly yesterday. I got an 88. My lowest grade to date. I am rather curious about what I got wrong as I looked up ones I was unsure of. 

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grayhawk
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I looked up every question in the book and wrote down the rule reference.  #34 is the only one that I am unsure of at this point and it's driving me crazy.

noumpere
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that is (or should be -- too many don't take it that way) one of the goals of the test.   I found this year's test (at least on my first pass through it) to be pretty easy.  Only a few I had

maineump
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Our assignor said to use the book - the test is written to make us get into the book, and to look up the 'out of the ordinary' rules.

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zoops

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#7 on the test led me to what seems like an odd rule - 5-13-b:  

Art. b.

Any protest by the coach of a competing team must be made at the time of the action or incident that caused the protest and before play is resumed. If the game ends (legal contest) in a protestable situation, the offended team has until all infielders have left fair territory and the catcher has cleared the dirt circle to voice its protest intentions. All protests must be made to the umpire-in-chief. Decisions on a protest involving nonconference teams shall be resolved by the secretary-rules editor of the rules committee.

So let's say a situation ends a game (I guess a misapplication of an IFF rule similar to the one in the video portion of the test could be a possibility) that a team could protest.  Defensive team gets the third out and runs off the field to celebrate near the dugout (catcher included).  Presumably they could do this in a just a few seconds.  So according to this rule, the offensive coach would practically have to immediately run to the UIC and say he wants to protest, otherwise it'd be too late?  Seems odd...

ALStripes17

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Do what the rule book tells you to do.

I don't think #34 was the one I missed...

Do they release the key when it closes?

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indianaumpire15

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Questions 9 and 13 deal with batters being hit by the catcher's return throw to the pitcher.  I am unable to locate the area or areas in the rule book that address these issues.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.

grayhawk

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Questions 9 and 13 deal with batters being hit by the catcher's return throw to the pitcher.  I am unable to locate the area or areas in the rule book that address these issues.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.

Check out the AR's under 7-11f.

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noumpere

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Thought about posting in test thread but that thing has gotten pretty hard to follow, plus I'm not really in doubt of the correct answer.  #7 on the test led me to what seems like an odd rule - 5-13-b:  

Art. b.

Any protest by the coach of a competing team must be made at the time of the action or incident that caused the protest and before play is resumed. If the game ends (legal contest) in a protestable situation, the offended team has until all infielders have left fair territory and the catcher has cleared the dirt circle to voice its protest intentions. All protests must be made to the umpire-in-chief. Decisions on a protest involving nonconference teams shall be resolved by the secretary-rules editor of the rules committee.

So let's say a situation ends a game (I guess a misapplication of an IFF rule similar to the one in the video portion of the test could be a possibility) that a team could protest.  Defensive team gets the third out and runs off the field to celebrate near the dugout (catcher included).  Presumably they could do this in a just a few seconds.  So according to this rule, the offensive coach would practically have to immediately run to the UIC and say he wants to protest, otherwise it'd be too late?  Seems odd...

 

 

If the defensive team got the third out and ran to the dugout, then the game didn't "end" -- it's still (for now) a tie.

 

If the defense wins, they (usually) celebrate at the pitcher's mound.

 

But, I do think you have a good point.

Replacematt

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1 hour ago, noumpere said:

Thought about posting in test thread but that thing has gotten pretty hard to follow, plus I'm not really in doubt of the correct answer.  #7 on the test led me to what seems like an odd rule - 5-13-b:  

Art. b.

Any protest by the coach of a competing team must be made at the time of the action or incident that caused the protest and before play is resumed. If the game ends (legal contest) in a protestable situation, the offended team has until all infielders have left fair territory and the catcher has cleared the dirt circle to voice its protest intentions. All protests must be made to the umpire-in-chief. Decisions on a protest involving nonconference teams shall be resolved by the secretary-rules editor of the rules committee.

So let's say a situation ends a game (I guess a misapplication of an IFF rule similar to the one in the video portion of the test could be a possibility) that a team could protest.  Defensive team gets the third out and runs off the field to celebrate near the dugout (catcher included).  Presumably they could do this in a just a few seconds.  So according to this rule, the offensive coach would practically have to immediately run to the UIC and say he wants to protest, otherwise it'd be too late?  Seems odd...

 

 

If the defensive team got the third out and ran to the dugout, then the game didn't "end" -- it's still (for now) a tie.

 

If the defense wins, they (usually) celebrate at the pitcher's mound.

 

But, I do think you have a good point.

I would be very liberal as to what constitutes a protest in this situation. If OC says anything to me indicating that he disagrees with the outcome before the time period expires, I'm allowing the protest even if the word doesn't leave his mouth until later in the conversation.

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1 hour ago, noumpere said:

If the defensive team got the third out and ran to the dugout, then the game didn't "end" -- it's still (for now) a tie.

 

If the defense wins, they (usually) celebrate at the pitcher's mound.

 

But, I do think you have a good point.

I must be misunderstanding something with your first statement?  Top 9, VT behind and batting, HT on defense gets the 3rd out = end of game, no?  Or are you just saying that if a team has won the game they wouldn't run to the dugout?

Pretty sure I've seen teams celebrate in foul territory (or at least get to foul territory rather quickly).  

Probably something you'd never have happen if you umpired for 100 years, but just curious if I was missing something in the wording of that rule.  

indianaumpire15

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9 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Check out the AR's under 7-11f.

Thanks.  This is my first year with NCAA test, so a few of these rule references I have been missing.

noumpere

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3 hours ago, indianaumpire15 said:

Thanks.  This is my first year with NCAA test, so a few of these rule references I have been missing.

The NCAA rulings are the same as the OBR / PBUC rulings on these plays.

 

Lots of good officials in IUA who can also help you out.

conbo61

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On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 7:37 PM, grayhawk said:

Question #34

The ball is dead and the pitcher is on the rubber in the wind up position. Before the plate umpire puts the ball in play the pitcher takes his throwing hand out of his glove and brings it in contact with his mouth, then wipes it on his pants and returns it to his glove. The correct ruling is:
 
  • a.
    • Warn the pitcher.
 
  • b.
    • Do nothing since time was out.
 
  • c.
    • Before you put the ball in play, add a ball to the count.
 
  • d.
    • Call a balk with runners on base and a ball with no runners on base.

B and send the catcher out to make to remind the pitcher not to do that during a live ball.

indianaumpire15

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52 minutes ago, noumpere said:

The NCAA rulings are the same as the OBR / PBUC rulings on these plays.

 

Lots of good officials in IUA who can also help you out.

Thanks, that what I have been finding as far as the rules go.

And yes, the IUA is great.  So happy I joined for summer of last year and this year.

noumpere

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1 hour ago, conbo61 said:

B and send the catcher out to make to remind the pitcher not to do that during a live ball.

That makes sense, but the rules don't always make sense. ;)

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BT_Blue

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On 2/12/2016 at 8:03 AM, noumpere said:

That makes sense, but the rules don't always make sense. ;)

That is wrong. They want you to ding him for this. The answer is C. Add a ball to the count before you put the ball in play.

BT_Blue

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On 2/11/2016 at 10:37 AM, Umpire in Chief said:

I took the test a little too quickly yesterday. I got an 88. My lowest grade to date. I am rather curious about what I got wrong as I looked up ones I was unsure of. 

Warren, the questions are weighted differently. Some are worth one point. Others are worth more.

I took the test on my own last week and got a 95% (my personal best on my own). So I figured I missed three. However, thanks to taking part in a conference call with the guys at Triple Play Umpires. I found out that I only missed one question. Thanks to them, got my first 100% on the test. 

So the score does not necessarily equal out to a 1:1 ratio of right to wrong.

noumpere

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3 hours ago, BT_Blue said:

Warren, the questions are weighted differently. Some are worth one point. Others are worth more.

 

I highly doubt that.

 

My guess is that you missed one question, and mis-typed two others.

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ALStripes17

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That is wrong. They want you to ding him for this. The answer is C. Add a ball to the count before you put the ball in play.

It's been discussed earlier in the thread... He wasn't saying the previous statement was right.

noumpere knows the NCAA test. I am aware of this because of his 100% grade. No 'weighting' to worry about there.

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BT_Blue

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9 hours ago, noumpere said:

I highly doubt that.

 

My guess is that you missed one question, and mis-typed two others.

No, because I compared the two tests. I only missed one. Also, I had talked to guys that only missed one when comparing. They were different questions than what I had missed. And their scores were different as well.

BT_Blue

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4 hours ago, ALStripes17 said:

 

It's been discussed earlier in the thread... He wasn't saying the previous statement was right.

noumpere knows the NCAA test. I am aware of this because of his 100% grade. No 'weighting' to worry about there.

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Sorry. Admittedly, I jumped to the last page because I didn't want to run the risk of commenting on a dead topic. I did however run the risk of repeating something already said.

noumpere

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9 hours ago, BT_Blue said:

No, because I compared the two tests. I only missed one. Also, I had talked to guys that only missed one when comparing. They were different questions than what I had missed. And their scores were different as well.

We'll see in two days when the tests are released.  I don't think you can see what you actually entered into the testing site.

 

More that once in the past, I meant to enter "B" (it was on my printed version) and I actually entered "A" and couldn't figure out why I didn't get 100 (when others I talked to had the same answers circled on their printed version and received a 100).

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Forest Ump

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I agree with Noumpere. I would be difflicult at best for the NCAA to start weighting questions. Thank goodness they simplified it down to 55 questiions and kept  it in numrical order. BTW. I scored 100 on the 1st try. First time for that.

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