INT on R2

[Thunderheads]

Nice INT here ...........

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v35938825

[goody14]

Announcers did a good job on this one.

 

Kirk Gibson jogs without moving his arms.  It looks weird.

[Thunderheads]

Announcers did a good job on this one.

 

Kirk Gibson jogs without moving his arms.  It looks weird.

I'm convinced he's got something wrong w/ his left arm ...his left hand never moves either....

[MadMax]

Shoulders. Rotator cuffs, probably. The both of them.

Alright, just so I'm clear... Is that an immediate dead ball call? What's got me confused is Arista completed the play and threw the guy out at 1B regardless. What's to keep a baserunner from more-or-less intentionally disrupting a potential double play like this? Say you have R2, R1, 0 or 1 out. Grounder towards F6, and R2 pulls that same interference the sample video showed... But in this case, F6 was going to F4, on to F3 for a double play... Which is what they successfully "perform" (because everything happens so fast at that level of gameplay). Evidently, the interference wasn't effective, because the play resulted in two outs.

Does my question make sense?

[grayhawk]

What prevents it is the rule that states if a runner willfully and deliberately interferes to prevent a double play, then 2 will be out.

[MadMax]

Understood, @grayhawk, but how about if it was the exact same interference as the sample clip, with R2, R1, 1 out? The defense wants to be out of this inning, and this pitcher doesn't want to throw another pitch.

[noumpere]

Understood, @grayhawk, but how about if it was the exact same interference as the sample clip, with R2, R1, 1 out? The defense wants to be out of this inning, and this pitcher doesn't want to throw another pitch.

Then under OBR you need to judge whether it was willful and deliberate .....  That's why we get paid.

 

And, the call was made immediately.  It doesn't surprise me that the play was completed -- no one is really listening for the umpire at this time and you'd rather get the one out in case the umpire didn't see the play, or was calling something different, or the rule was "R2 is out and any other outs stand" etc.  Make the play and let the umpires sort it out later.

[grayhawk]

Understood, @grayhawk, but how about if it was the exact same interference as the sample clip, with R2, R1, 1 out? The defense wants to be out of this inning, and this pitcher doesn't want to throw another pitch.

In OBR, it had to be "willful and deliberate" to get two. So in your case play, R2 is out, award the BR first which forces R1 to second.

In Fed, you can get two outs if a double play was possible.

[goody14]

 

Announcers did a good job on this one.

 

Kirk Gibson jogs without moving his arms.  It looks weird.

I'm convinced he's got something wrong w/ his left arm ...his left hand never moves either....

 

His body paid the price for his hard nose play...but I am sure it was worth for the moment in 1988

[Thunderheads]

 

 

Announcers did a good job on this one.

 

Kirk Gibson jogs without moving his arms.  It looks weird.

I'm convinced he's got something wrong w/ his left arm ...his left hand never moves either....

 

His body paid the price for his hard nose play...but I am sure it was worth for the moment in 1988

 

I'm convinced it's something more....something different .....watch his left hand .....it never moves from the same position.  looks like a hook, trying to hold a pen like a left-hander .......it's wierd .......

[afaber12]

 

Understood, @grayhawk, but how about if it was the exact same interference as the sample clip, with R2, R1, 1 out? The defense wants to be out of this inning, and this pitcher doesn't want to throw another pitch.

In OBR, it had to be "willful and deliberate" to get two. So in your case play, R2 is out, award the BR first which forces R1 to second.

In Fed, you can get two outs if a double play was possible.

 

I think there was a play like that last year, I'm pretty sure resulted in Ron Gardenhire of the Twins getting ejected because he wanted the double play on the interference but only got the one out.

 

Just because they want to be out of the inning doesn't mean they get to be out of it. Either they or the pitcher should have been good enough to get one or two more outs earlier, preventing the two runners from getting on.

[blue23ll]

I have said for a while that I thought that there is something physically wrong with Kirk.