FED FPSR rule...

[johnnyg08]

 

 

So the "altering the play" is not a criteria.  Also, would it make a difference if R1 ran in a direct line to 2nd, did not slide and the throw from F4 to F3 hit R1 when he was only 4 feet away from 2nd and R1 had made no effort to get out of the way of the throw?

Careful: altering the play is necessary but not sufficient for a FPSR violation: it must occur near the base. Your second example sounds like a FPSR violation to me.

 

But the FPSR specifically says he does not have to slide - only that if he does it must be direct to the bag. 

 

 

and it must be a legal slide.

[noumpere]

 

 

So the "altering the play" is not a criteria.  Also, would it make a difference if R1 ran in a direct line to 2nd, did not slide and the throw from F4 to F3 hit R1 when he was only 4 feet away from 2nd and R1 had made no effort to get out of the way of the throw?

Careful: altering the play is necessary but not sufficient for a FPSR violation: it must occur near the base. Your second example sounds like a FPSR violation to me.

 

But the FPSR specifically says he does not have to slide - only that if he does it must be direct to the bag. 

 

Your correct that if hes close to the bag he does not need to slide.  He can also run in a direction away from the play.  Doing neither puts him in jeopardy of a call.

[BigSimonia]

Does it make a difference that in not sliding he didn't "alter the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play" (8-4-2(b)).  Using that terminolgy I imagined it only applied if the runner made some form of contact with the fielder - but if the fielder throws the ball without any contact, the "not sliding or running away from" did not alter the actions of the fielder, just the flight of the ball after the fieder's actions were complete. 

 

Your basic explanation, however, seems sound to me

[mstaylor]

I had a kid go into second standing up, went right over the bag. It was perfectly fine, no violation. 

[zm1283]

I had one last week where F6 fielded the ball going toward second base.  He bobbled it for a second but picked it up about a step from the base and stepped on second.  R1 was almost there when F6 touched the base, but instead of sliding at all or veering off he just kept running and they ran into each other right on top of second base, knocking F6 back a step or two.  Easy one.