Can You Eject For This?

[iumpcsa]

I am a 14 year old umpire for youth baseball. Previously, I had an issue with a coach in a 6 and under game which came very close to an ejection. One of my closest friends also umpires for the league and had the opportunity to ump that teams next game. The coach spent a good while explaining to him why it was important that he was better than the last ump they had (me). He used phrases such as "dumb, deaf, and blind" and other things along these lines.

At what point, if at all, does this become an EJ worthy offense?

[BRUMP]

if this is riding umpires in a 6u baseball game he should be kicked out of the league asap....as far as ej worthy either dumb deaf or blind would be a one way ticket to the parking lot

and welcome to the site btw always nice to see a fellow young umpire

[iumpcsa]

BRUMP, are dumb, deaf, and blind still EJ worthy if the coach was talking about an umpire from a game other than the current one...obviously if he has said that to ME about ME it's an EJ, but what if its to a different ump about me??

[JaxRolo]

Your buddy should have put a stop to it immediately.

[BRUMP]

BRUMP, are dumb, deaf, and blind still EJ worthy if the coach was talking about an umpire from a game other than the current one...obviously if he has said that to ME about ME it's an EJ, but what if its to a different ump about me??

For a 6u game yes...though a warning is necessary. if your friend tells him thats enough were not discussing it and he continues then :wave:

[spiritump]

you will learn that they are all RATS

[JamesC]

I am a 14 year old umpire for youth baseball. Previously, I had an issue with a coach in a 6 and under game which came very close to an ejection. One of my closest friends also umpires for the league and had the opportunity to ump that teams next game. The coach spent a good while explaining to him why it was important that he was better than the last ump they had (me). He used phrases such as "dumb, deaf, and blind" and other things along these lines.

At what point, if at all, does this become an EJ worthy offense?

A word of advice, which I wish I would have received early in my career. I too started out very young, 13 years old. I should not have taken as much heat as I allowed. Don't let them run over you, and don't be afraid to pull the trigger. If you have to wonder if its ej worthy during the game, just go ahead and dump them. It will make the rest of the game and the season much better and easier for you.

Now I'm not saying dump them on the little things, but don't take heat because they're older than you and you feel like you may be disrespecting them by dumping them. If anything, they're disrespecting you! Take care of business and don't think twice about it. If your league won't stand behind your decision, you need to find somewhere else to call.

[Jocko]

HC - I hope you're better than the last ump we had. He was deaf, dumb, and blind.

Me - Mike (or whatever his name is), that was then. This is now. Let it go.

HC - You should've seen his strike zone. Terrible.

Me - Mike. You're crossing the line. Knock it off. [At this point, walk away]

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Several points you should note:

1: Always call the coaches by name. If you don't know it, introduce yourself and shake hands.

2: Don't be involved in this type of conversation. If "Mike" insists on the topic, "Knock it off" and walk away ends it. Guaranteed he won't chase you to bad mouth your colleague.

3: Your age will be a factor in how they treat you. Deal with it by being rock solid. Learn the rules inside-out. Hustle, hustle, hustle. Look sharp at all times.

4: Don't fraternize with coaches or players. If you want to be treated like a professional, act like one.

[mjr_2013]

One thing I wish I would have known when umpiring at 13 and 14 was to not let the coach intimidate you.

 

Honestly, with a 6U, I would have made it a point to inform the league director regardless of whether you ejected him or not. He needs to be told by someone he will take seriously (no offense) that it won't be tolerated and that you, even at 14, are in charge of that field when you step on it.

 

Would not be a bad idea for the field supervisor that youth games commonly have to keep a close eye on your game as well.

 

Welcome to the board!

[jjb]

Iump. I'm responsible for training and supervising about 30 new 14-year old Umpires every season. Been doing it for several years. Great to see you here: there's a ton of stuff you can learn from the experienced Umpires in this forum. I read your post, and I'll get to to the other guy in a minute: I want to start with you.

 

1: When most of the Umpires on this forum walk out onto the field, they look and act like experienced Umpires: that's because they are. They're in their middle 30's, have the best gear and uniforms, and, well, this game is not their first rodeo. Because they act like their in charge, they're perceived as thought they are in charge (you'll see this phrase again). So, the coaches, players and spectators treat them as if they're in charge,

 

2. You've got a disadvantage. You're young, with the best equipment you can manage, and maybe not the best uniform in the world. You have to understand something the outside world doesn't know: Umpiring is mostly Kabuki Theatre. How you act will determine how they act. If you are tentative in working the game, they will treat you as if you're not in charge. Here's what I look for as an Evaluator:

 

3. It starts in the Parking lot. You and your partner need to walk out on the field together. Your First Impression should be : "here are the UMPIRES", not "here's a kid working the game". Next, I'm watching the Plate Meeting, and, although I'm behind the fence, and can't hear you, here's what I'm looking for: Who's Doing All the Talking?. If you go through the Plate Meeting by doing most of the talking, you are assering yourself as the guy in charge. If the coach does most of the talikng, who does he think is running the game? and, is he going to listen to you when you tell him to do something he doesn't want to do? Finally, you need to hustle out there and sell those calls: sometimes, being loud is more important than being right.

 

Now, I'm not saying that you should go overboard: we like to say that we are "quietly in charge". If this coach felt comfortable using this language with the next guy, maybe, just maybe, he went over the line with you?

 

3. When I hire new Umpires, I usually get the "Oh, boy, I get to throw people out" from new Umpires. Trust me, you won't like doing it. When you do it, it will bother you for a few days. But, every Umpire on this Board will back me up, here: the people you DIDN'T throw out will bother you for a lot longer. (I'm still bothered by a guy from several years ago). So, you have to understand: when he needs to go, you have to show him the way.It's part of the job.

 

4. The next Umpire needed to shut this guy down in a hurry. A basic "Oh, we are SO not going there!" would have sufficed, followed by an EJ with his next breath: it's U6, for crying out loud! In my League, he would have actually achieved Hang Time on the way to the parking lot.

 

5. OK, relax: you've got a long ways to go in your career. Every old guy out here went through what you're going through now. Stick with it, let us know how you're doing, and don't quit.

[UmpJM]

iumpcsa,

 

A lot of good advice above, so I'll just add my two cents.

 

To directly answer your question, No, that is most likely NOT an ejectable offense,

 

The best approach is to say something like, "Mike (or, Mr. Walsh if you're more comfortable addressing an adult that way), it would be unprofessional of me to discuss your opinion of my colleague's performance with you, so we won't be discussing that. Do you have a lineup for me?"

 

You acknowledge that you heard what he said, you make it clear that it's not a proper subject of discussion without aggravating the situation, and you move on.

 

JM

[gnhbua93]

If he talked to you about your partner performance, he will do the same about you with the next umpire.

[Thunderheads]

6u ????????????????????????????????  Really?????????????????

[BRUMP]

6u ???????????????????????????????? Really?????????????????

A Rat is a rat regardless of what age group said rat is coaching.

[Thunderheads]

6u ???????????????????????????????? Really?????????????????

A Rat is a rat regardless of what age group said rat is coaching.

I'm not referring to the coach, I'm referring to the fact that parents have their 5 and 6 year olds playing an organized sport!!!!!

[JaxRolo]

 

6u ???????????????????????????????? Really?????????????????

A Rat is a rat regardless of what age group said rat is coaching.

I'm not referring to the coach, I'm referring to the fact that parents have their 5 and 6 year olds playing an organized sport!!!!!

 

Around here if you don't start your kids early they will fall behind quickly.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

6u ???????????????????????????????? Really?????????????????

A Rat is a rat regardless of what age group said rat is coaching.

I'm not referring to the coach, I'm referring to the fact that parents have their 5 and 6 year olds playing an organized sport!!!!!

 

Around here if you don't start your kids early they will fall behind quickly.

Not that young .........

[scrounge]

There's virtually nothing that gets me angrier faster than these bullies trying to intimidate youth umpires. In our local league - a very good one btw - they use 13 and older umpires for base umps and 16 yr and up for plate for 9/10 yr olds, with a youth umpire and a certified (generally adult) umpire for 11/12 yr old. I don't do a lot of games for them, since I usually am doing other games or have a kid in the league, but on the times I have I am EXTREMELY protective of the kids. I will not tolerate for even a second any loudmouth daddy coach trying to browbeat a kid who's just trying to stay in the game, make his $15, and apply his 2 hour training class to a mildly competitive non-travel recreational league. Fortunately, I haven't had too many incidents but I won't hesitate to step in and make it clear that this won't be happening on this field today - AT ALL.

[Jocko]

My son started organized baseball at 3

[johnnyg08]

6u ????????????????????????????????  Really?????????????????

 

 

 

It's a shame that as a culture we feel the need to have umpires at 6 year old baseball.  

[benrosen]

6u ????????????????????????????????  Really?????????????????

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

[JaxRolo]

6u ???????????????????????????????? Really?????????????????

This is what Jocko works

[scrounge]

My son started organized baseball at 3

 

I can't even comprehend that, to be honest. What on earth can they do at age 3? Some of them are still wearing pullups, ferpete'ssake! Unless it's tee ball with a big plastic yellow bat and a wiffle ball, it just sounds way too early to me.

[basejester]

I'm not referring to the coach, I'm referring to the fact that parents have their 5 and 6 year olds playing an organized sport!!!!!

I started my son at 6. He had fun. He learned some skills.

Why do you think organized sports are bad for 6-year-olds?

[Thunderheads]

I'm not referring to the coach, I'm referring to the fact that parents have their 5 and 6 year olds playing an organized sport!!!!!

I started my son at 6. He had fun. He learned some skills.

Why do you think organized sports are bad for 6-year-olds?

Too young .......