batter interference question

[calablue]

Does anyone know of any rule set that has the batter out for interference when he is standing still in the batters box and does nothing to hinder the play, but gets run into by the catcher trying to make a play on a runner stealing 3B? (guess he needed a runing start to make the throw) The pitch was caught by the catcher, not a loose ball situation if it would matter). Had this happen tonight, ruled no INT by batter. RAT coach has a fit, ranting how he coaches travel ball and the batter gets called out....yada...yada...yada. Too bad coach....Play on! Didn't think quick enough to ask what rule set they play by, though I doubt the jerk would have known anyway. It was a 12U game playing by Cal Ripken/Babe Ruth rules. (Modified OBR)

[johnnyg08]

As you describe, as long as the batter didn't do anything intentional, live ball, play on, no interference.

[BRUMP]

This type of INT is usually a HTBT but as described I don't have INT in any rule

set.

[UmpJM]

calablue,

As described, that's not BI under ANY recognized rule code.

If the ball gets away from the catcher and the batter has a reasonable opportunity to clear the area, it's up to the umpire's judgement whether or not he did. If the pitch is controlled, the batter is absolved of liability if he stands still in the batter's box.

JM

[Jimurray]

Does anyone know of any rule set that has the batter out for interference when he is standing still in the batters box and does nothing to hinder the play, but gets run into by the catcher trying to make a play on a runner stealing 3B?

Yes, the rule set of the league that uses guys who bought a blue shirt at Academy. It probably has worked before. Goodluck.

[calablue]

Thanks Guys, I didn't think there was. I appreciate the rapid responses.

[Jocko]

Thanks Guys, I didn't think there was. I appreciate the rapid responses.

falls under the heading of "Vanishing Batter"

[Rich Ives]

If you have a discussion going with someone the actual rule says it's interference if the batter leaves the box or MAKES A MOVEMENT that interferes. Therefore you need movement. No movement, no interference.

It has to be this way - otherwise the catcher could just drill the batter with the ball to get an out.

[mstaylor]

See 6.06c

[James Walker]

If you have a discussion going with someone the actual rule says it's interference if the batter leaves the box or MAKES A MOVEMENT that interferes. Therefore you need movement. No movement, no interference.

It has to be this way - otherwise the catcher could just drill the batter with the ball to get an out.

Now, what happens when F2 pushes or shoves the batter out of the way? Is it defensive MC or nothing?

[cyclonehokiece]

If you have a discussion going with someone the actual rule says it's interference if the batter leaves the box or MAKES A MOVEMENT that interferes. Therefore you need movement. No movement, no interference.

It has to be this way - otherwise the catcher could just drill the batter with the ball to get an out.

Now, what happens when F2 pushes or shoves the batter out of the way? Is it defensive MC or nothing?

Unless there is intent to injure no MC. Most of the time I picture this is the catcher has the ball and creates contact with the batter while throwing to try to draw the interference call. In this case, its a "thats nothing"

[calablue]

See 6.06c

Thank you.......but my question wasn't limited to OBR (see OP). I've seen, read and understand 6.06c in OBR (at least I think I do). I figured if any rule set was going to differ on this it would probably be FED. Good to hear they don't differ.

[johnnyg08]

Now, what happens when F2 pushes or shoves the batter out of the way? Is it defensive MC or nothing?

You have R2 safe at 3B who becomes the new R3

[mstaylor]

See 6.06c

Thank you.......but my question wasn't limited to OBR (see OP). I've seen, read and understand 6.06c in OBR (at least I think I do). I figured if any rule set was going to differ on this it would probably be FED. Good to hear they don't differ.

I quoted the rule number to give you rule support in an argument.

[D62 blue]

Does anyone know of any rule set that has the batter out for interference when he is standing still in the batters box and does nothing to hinder the play, but gets run into by the catcher trying to make a play on a runner stealing 3B?

Yes, the rule set of the league that uses guys who bought a blue shirt at Academy. It probably has worked before. Goodluck.

this occured in my son's U16 travel gm , this past sunday . batter in box R2 stealing 3rd , F2 comes up to throw down to 3rd , batter in box but takes 1-11/2 steps back (still in box), F2 's throw hits the bat . PU call's nothing ?? later in same gm R1 stealing 2nd , batter swings and misses leans over the plate , F2 throws down , dont remember safe/out , PU calls nothing ?? I have BI on both plays , PU clueless !! comments please .

marc

[mstaylor]

Does anyone know of any rule set that has the batter out for interference when he is standing still in the batters box and does nothing to hinder the play, but gets run into by the catcher trying to make a play on a runner stealing 3B?

Yes, the rule set of the league that uses guys who bought a blue shirt at Academy. It probably has worked before. Goodluck.

this occured in my son's U16 travel gm , this past sunday . batter in box R2 stealing 3rd , F2 comes up to throw down to 3rd , batter in box but takes 1-11/2 steps back (still in box), F2 's throw hits the bat . PU call's nothing ?? later in same gm R1 stealing 2nd , batter swings and misses leans over the plate , F2 throws down , dont remember safe/out , PU calls nothing ?? I have BI on both plays , PU clueless !! comments please .

marc

It is a very misunderstood and uncalled rules in baseball. It happens much more than it gets called, either because guys don't understand it or don't want to make waves. I was working a college game with a very experienced PU. The F2 came up to throw to second but hitched because the batter was there, then threw late. I almost didn't make a call because the BI was so obvious. He didn't call it so I safed the runner. The manager came out and the PU told him the F2 hitched so no call, if he had thrown it would have been BI. I talked to him after the game and he told me the same thing. I told him the hitch was because of the BI so it should have been called. He told me I was wrong. I wasn't but there was no convincing him.

[JaxRolo]

Does anyone know of any rule set that has the batter out for interference when he is standing still in the batters box and does nothing to hinder the play, but gets run into by the catcher trying to make a play on a runner stealing 3B?

Yes, the rule set of the league that uses guys who bought a blue shirt at Academy. It probably has worked before. Goodluck.

this occured in my son's U16 travel gm , this past sunday . batter in box R2 stealing 3rd , F2 comes up to throw down to 3rd , batter in box but takes 1-11/2 steps back (still in box), F2 's throw hits the bat . PU call's nothing ?? later in same gm R1 stealing 2nd , batter swings and misses leans over the plate , F2 throws down , dont remember safe/out , PU calls nothing ?? I have BI on both plays , PU clueless !! comments please .

marc

It is a very misunderstood and uncalled rules in baseball. It happens much more than it gets called, either because guys don't understand it or don't want to make waves. I was working a college game with a very experienced PU. The F2 came up to throw to second but hitched because the batter was there, then threw late. I almost didn't make a call because the BI was so obvious. He didn't call it so I safed the runner. The manager came out and the PU told him the F2 hitched so no call, if he had thrown it would have been BI. I talked to him after the game and he told me the same thing. I told him the hitch was because of the BI so it should have been called. He told me I was wrong. I wasn't but there was no convincing him.

He should have known that you are never wrong! :notworthy:

[mstaylor]

He was great to work with but was old school so occasionally something like this slipped through. He was called Teflon Don, he could handle any situation with no fuss. Of course he was the guy that left me doing the first round of a college conference tournament by myself. He broke down and couldn't make it. One man college is ugly.

[grayhawk]

Fed JV game: I had an F2 initiate contact with a LH batter on an attempted back pick at 1B. I called "that's nothing" and after the play, F2 looked back at me and said "What about the interference?" I just laughed and told him that he initiated the contact and if he tried it again, I would eject him for commiting an unsportsmanlike act. That was the end of that.

[UmpTTS43]

He was great to work with but was old school so occasionally something like this slipped through. He was called Teflon Don, he could handle any situation with no fuss. Of course he was the guy that left me doing the first round of a college conference tournament by myself. He broke down and couldn't make it. One man college is ugly.

What conference in their right mind would allow a game to be officiated with one official, let alone a game in the conference tournament? Absolutiely ludicris.

[mstaylor]

D3 and there was no time to find a replacement. everyone I called didn't answer.

[UmpTTS43]

WOW! Just saying.

[BRUMP]

WOW! Just saying.

I agree. A college game solo is absolutely ridiculous.

[mstaylor]

There is a deaf college in DC that is in the conference and that was the game I drew, top seed/bottom seed. They were horrible, I was working by myself, I had to slap the catcher's side on strikes, call the bases and it was a blowout bigtime. My mechanics were so screwed up by the end of that game but at least I couldn't hurt them.