Hit F1, hit U1, missed turn ....safe....

[Thunderheads]

.......no, ....OUT!

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=24666581&topic_id=11493214&c_id=mlb

[JaxRolo]

U1 took the eyes off the runner . Didn't see him turn. Good reversal.

[Umpire in Chief]

I think it is a good reversal but found it interesting that the PU came up with the changed call rather than U1.

[Mr Umpire]

Possibly b/c U1 didn't see it and everyone knew he couldn't make that call.

[basejester]

Possibly b/c U1 didn't see it and everyone knew he couldn't make that call.

Do you think it would have been better for U1 to make no call on the returning runner?

[noumpere]

I think it is a good reversal but found it interesting that the PU came up with the changed call rather than U1.

That always depends on the specific crew and umpires involved some give it to the original umpire sometimes to the changing umpire sometimes to the crew chief. I dont know or care who was who in this play but someone here does.

I do think its a good play to show newer umpires how little is needed to call it a move toward second though.

[Dannytheman]

I like it, he deeked to 2nd. Nice ruling, ump that saw it correctly should call the out.

[24sdad]

I think this is a good job by the 1BU. He has a baseball headed right for the area of his nuts, gets hit and still attempts to get a look at BR after he passes the bag. I agree with noumpere this play has some good info for new umpires. Obviously, 1BU did not get a good look at the attempt by BR (and probably knew he missed some of the action). So, when BR was tagged by F3, did 1BU point to PU and ask "what do you have?" No, he made HIS call, based on what HE saw (or rather, what the play allowed him to see) and then conferenced to get additional information from three others who were not dodging a BB. Good job fellas.

[Mr Umpire]

Possibly b/c U1 didn't see it and everyone knew he couldn't make that call.

Do you think it would have been better for U1 to make no call on the returning runner?

No. Make his call based on what he saw. Then, if asked and knowing he may have missed something given the circumstances but also knowing the other umpires responsibilities on this play, go for help if possible. If there would have been a runner attempting to score on the play, he may have been by himself on this one. But, there wasn't so he was able to get the help.

[BRUMP]

Good reversal. I cant say Id be watching the runner the whole way either if a ball was headed for my nuts.

[Umpete]

I was going to post this video with the question, "Do you wear your cup when you work the bases?"

I do. :agasp_:

[Dannytheman]

I was going to post this video with the question, "Do you wear your cup when you work the bases?"

I do.

I do not!!! But you ask a valid and intuitive question after viewing that video.

[Mudder]

Agreed good call, and good communication by the umps, but what barometer do you use to judge if R1 made an "attempt" toward 2nd. I mean I think one was clear, but I've seen some called it seems at the slightest movement by the R1 to what appears as an attempt, so I was wondering is there any specific thing you look for as to what constitutes an attempt to 2B?

[mstaylor]

Usually two things happen, the runner turns and sees the bal loose and then a step toward second. The other side of the myth, it makes no difference which way he turned, but also it doesn't matter if he is fair or foul. Many believe if he is in foul an attempt can't be made.

[Lindsay]

Agreed good call, and good communication by the umps, but what barometer do you use to judge if R1 made an "attempt" toward 2nd. I mean I think one was clear, but I've seen some called it seems at the slightest movement by the R1 to what appears as an attempt, so I was wondering is there any specific thing you look for as to what constitutes an attempt to 2B?

Must be the same barometer for check swings and intentional HBPs.

The way the rule is written, B1 must return at once to first base after overrunning/oversliding it. Obviously, "at once" has been construed as allowing B1 to take some time to recover from his 90-ft run before jogging back, but the general gist is if B1 does anything to indicate he is deviating from the Run Through Base => Recover from Run => Walk/Jog/Run Back to 1st cadence, he is liable to be tagged out.

Basically, once B1 runs through 1st, he is, for all intents and purposes, "out of the play" and he remains "out of the play" until he returns to occupy 1st. Using that framework, B1 can put himself "back into play" by doing something to indicate he is interested in immediate objectives past 1st base.

[Dragon29]

Being a Giants fan, my sons & I were watching this game. When this happened, I got

"Do you wear your cup when you work the bases?"

from them immediately.

I said, "I don't, but if I was doing higher level ball, I might."

Good reversal, but I did think it was odd that the Crew Chief (Tim McLellan) was the one who announced it. Probably just giving his partner a chance to breathe.

[dumbdumb]

Usually two things happen, the runner turns and sees the bal loose and then a step toward second. The other side of the myth, it makes no difference which way he turned, but also it doesn't matter if he is fair or foul. Many believe if he is in foul an attempt can't be made.

This one (OP) is easy and takes no intestinal fortitude to call whatsoever if the 1B umpire is watching, or if the 1B umpire doesn't turn in time to see it, for the HP umpire to call.

Here is the one that takes intestinal fortitude and the runner stays foul as MST says.

Look at 1.54

http://www.mlb.com/v...tent_id=3334488

Just to let our young guys see how little is needed as mentioned above by nou to call it a move or "attempt" toward second.

And yes, it was an "attempt" in both, however so slight it appears in the one from 2008.

[Dragon29]

Wow! For me, that one was far too small to call. I mean, I gotta see something more than what I see Upton doing here; he didn't even take one step towards 2B.

I honestly think Meals was reacting more to the ball on the ground than what the runner was doing.

I whole-heartedly agree that it doesn't take much to put the BR in jeopardy, but I've got him Safe.

[basejester]

I've got a plant of the right foot, a lean toward second, a step with the right foot, and a step with the left foot due to momentum generated. He's toast.

[mstaylor]

That is a good call.

[Jocko]

No step is required. I've had a BR "feint" with just his shoulders/arms. he gave the indication, he got called out. And subsequently, the 1bc was no longer coaching that game.

[Dragon29]

I concur that no step is required; there are certainly other ways for a BR to put himself in jeopardy here. I just didn't see enough on Upton to have made that call. Not saying it's necessarily a bad call, but I don't think I would have made it because in my judgment, he did not make any attempt at 2B.