Another umpire interference .........

[Thunderheads]

and Hawk isn't too bad on this .........hmmmmmmm

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23144205&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_23144205&v=3

[Umpire in Chief]

I think this is the toughest call to make because you are calling it on yourself. I've seen too many guys not call it when it should be.

I'm actually amazed it seems the announcers are about to say something about it being a good call just as the clip ends. But these are the Chicago announcers, I imagine the Boston ones had a different take.

[Welpe]

and Hawk isn't too bad on this .........hmmmmmmm

Well no, it went for the White Sox. Can you imagine his screed over the umpires "calling time" if it had gone against them?

[johnnyg08]

Of course Hawk wasn't that bad. It benefitted his team.

[Jocko]

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

[noumpere]

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

Better off to call it when it happens and then waive it off then to call it only when it causes a problem. Calling it right away can help flush away the s***storm.

[Jocko]

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

Better off to call it when it happens and then waive it off then to call it only when it causes a problem. Calling it right away can help flush away the s***storm.

completely agree. I was caught off guard, so I hesitated. Bad timing on my part.

[JHSump]

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

Better off to call it when it happens and then waive it off then to call it only when it causes a problem. Calling it right away can help flush away the s***storm.

completely agree. I was caught off guard, so I hesitated. Bad timing on my part.

Interesting. I thought you were supposed to wait to see the result of the play. If the runner it out, no interference. If he's not out, then call interference. But, you say to call interference right away, then waive it off it it's unnecessary. Is that the standard procedure?

[johnnyg08]

Interesting. I thought you were supposed to wait to see the result of the play. If the runner it out, no interference. If he's not out, then call interference. But, you say to call interference right away, then waive it off it it's unnecessary. Is that the standard procedure?

You are supposed to let everything play out to see if your interference affects the play. To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

[Thunderheads]

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

Ok, hang on ....

trying to catch R1 by throwing to R3 is a 'catcher pickoff' ..... so ....if the throw is bad, ...you call UI and bang him?

[Welpe]

To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Not that I don't believe you but I've never heard this before, do you have a citation?

Jeff, a runner is never out on umpire's interference.

[Thunderheads]

To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Not that I don't believe you but I've never heard this before, do you have a citation?

Jeff, a runner is never out on umpire's interference.

I didn't think so , thanks ....but ....I'm confused. What are the options in Trout78's situation?

[Mudder]

So If a PU interferes with the catcher on a runner stealing, its a dead ball and runner returns to the TOP base, unless the runner is thrown out at the base he is stealing, in which case you ignore the ump interference. But is there no room for judgement on the PU's behalf? What if the guy stealing had a great jump and in the PU's judgment there is no way the catcher would have thrown him out, with or without the interference.

Can't you envision catchers' intentionally hitting the umpire on a throw when they know they have no chance at the runner?

[Jocko]

To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Not that I don't believe you but I've never heard this before, do you have a citation?

Jeff, a runner is never out on umpire's interference.

a runner is not out BECAUSE of UI, but if they are put out anyway, you ignore the UI. and after rereading the rule, I handled it correctly. The runner can be put out, the UI is ignored. The runner may not advance, the UI is enforced. Let it play out just like OBS and then do what it takes to negate the UI

[Jocko]

Fed 5-1-2 "It is a delayed dead ball when: © umpire interferes with a cathcer who is attempting to throw. If runner is not put out, runnerS return"

According to this, if multiple baserunners, all return to their base.

[Thunderheads]

To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Not that I don't believe you but I've never heard this before, do you have a citation?

Jeff, a runner is never out on umpire's interference.

a runner is not out BECAUSE of UI, but if they are put out anyway, you ignore the UI. and after rereading the rule, I handled it correctly. The runner can be put out, the UI is ignored. The runner may not advance, the UI is enforced. Let it play out just like OBS and then do what it takes to negate the UI

AGAIN ...that's fine, but with a catcher trying to pick R1 at first .... and the catchers arm hits your mask .....what are the options of outcomes?

[Jocko]

To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Not that I don't believe you but I've never heard this before, do you have a citation?

Jeff, a runner is never out on umpire's interference.

a runner is not out BECAUSE of UI, but if they are put out anyway, you ignore the UI. and after rereading the rule, I handled it correctly. The runner can be put out, the UI is ignored. The runner may not advance, the UI is enforced. Let it play out just like OBS and then do what it takes to negate the UI

AGAIN ...that's fine, but with a catcher trying to pick R1 at first .... and the catchers arm hits your mask .....what are the options of outcomes?

If R1 is out, they're out. If R1 is safe, they're safe. If the throw is bad and gets to F9, you enforce th UI and R1 remains R1. Even if it goes into DBT, R1 is still R1.

[Thunderheads]

If R1 is out, they're out. If R1 is safe, they're safe. If the throw is bad and gets to F9, you enforce th UI and R1 remains R1. Even if it goes into DBT, R1 is still R1.

Well, DUH Jeff!!!! Sorry ...but thanks for the response!

[mstaylor]

As far as a straight steal, handle it exactly like BI, announce it and enforce it or ignore it depending on the outcome.

[Maineac]

I think this is the toughest call to make because you are calling it on yourself. I've seen too many guys not call it when it should be.

I'm actually amazed it seems the announcers are about to say something about it being a good call just as the clip ends. But these are the Chicago announcers, I imagine the Boston ones had a different take.

Actually I was watching this game on NESN. They couldn't figure out what the call was, just assumed the umpire called "time" before the play therefore killing the whole play.

[Jocko]

Interesting. I thought you were supposed to wait to see the result of the play. If the runner it out, no interference. If he's not out, then call interference. But, you say to call interference right away, then waive it off it it's unnecessary. Is that the standard procedure?

You are supposed to let everything play out to see if your interference affects the play. To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Here's your reference to judgement on UI

Fed Case 2.21.2 Situation: "lWith R1 on second base, the umpire inadvertantly interferes with catcher's throw back to F1 and R1 advances to third base. RULING: If, in the umpire's judgement, his interferrence permitted R1 to reach third base safely, the umpire shall send R1 back to second base (5-1-2c)"

[noumpere]

Interesting. I thought you were supposed to wait to see the result of the play. If the runner it out, no interference. If he's not out, then call interference. But, you say to call interference right away, then waive it off it it's unnecessary. Is that the standard procedure?

F2 snap throw to F3 trying to catch R1. F2 elbow grazes my mask. Throw is on target, R1 safe. Now, had R1 been out, I have nothing, but if the throw is bad, I have UI and a s**tstorm. I acknowledged F2 when asked if I would've called it. 1st time in 14 seasons that's ever happened.

Ok, hang on ....

trying to catch R1 by throwing to R3 is a 'catcher pickoff' ..... so ....if the throw is bad, ...you call UI and bang him?

The correct mechanic here is much the same as the correct mechanic when theirs batter interference. Call "Thats interference" (or something like that) then wait to see what happens. If (with Umpire interfernce) the runner is out then the runner is out and you ignore the interference (you might have some explaining to do depending on the level). You also ignore the interfernec on the pickoff if the runner gets back to first. If the runner is safe on the steal then return him to first. If theirs a bad throw then kill it. You dont call "time" when the interference occurs.

[Welpe]

Interesting. I thought you were supposed to wait to see the result of the play. If the runner it out, no interference. If he's not out, then call interference. But, you say to call interference right away, then waive it off it it's unnecessary. Is that the standard procedure?

You are supposed to let everything play out to see if your interference affects the play. To add to that, if in your judgment the base would've been easily stolen, you don't have to return the runner.

Here's your reference to judgement on UI

Fed Case 2.21.2 Situation: "lWith R1 on second base, the umpire inadvertantly interferes with catcher's throw back to F1 and R1 advances to third base. RULING: If, in the umpire's judgement, his interferrence permitted R1 to reach third base safely, the umpire shall send R1 back to second base (5-1-2c)"

OK that works for Fed (and thank you for that) but I was referring to OBR.

[bam]

I think this is the toughest call to make because you are calling it on yourself. I've seen too many guys not call it when it should be.

I'm actually amazed it seems the announcers are about to say something about it being a good call just as the clip ends. But these are the Chicago announcers, I imagine the Boston ones had a different take.

Actually I was watching this game on NESN. They couldn't figure out what the call was, just assumed the umpire called "time" before the play therefore killing the whole play.

I was watching NESN last night too. It's not hard to believe they didn't know what was going on. They were talking about everything EXCEPT the game. I usually like Don and Jerry, but last night they were unwatchable.

[PonyUmpire]

I think this is the toughest call to make because you are calling it on yourself. I've seen too many guys not call it when it should be.

I'm actually amazed it seems the announcers are about to say something about it being a good call just as the clip ends. But these are the Chicago announcers, I imagine the Boston ones had a different take.

As PU, I had to call this last saturday, and the OC was not happy at all.