Richvee

Yes. And make the time reasonable. 1:00 is not reasonable, and why it’s not enforced. A other thing the timing does is rid the counting of warmup pitches, and then we don’t have to worry about how many crow hop throws F1 takes from behind the mound and we avoid the inevitable “those don’t count” arguments with their head coaches.

This is 100% true. Even in high school, where we know it's play on, you will have explaining to do, whereas not a word would be said with the out, dead ball call. The NCAA rule book sure doesn't do a great job on this. It's almost like they're sitting on the fence.

MiLBUM Play 5 Runners on 1st and 2nd, both stealing. Batter shows bunt. F3 and F5 move in. F6 moves to cover 3B. The batter swings at the last minute and hits a ground ball in the direction of the SS position. However, the shortstop has moved to cover third base, and no one is in position to field the ball. The ground ball strikes the runner advancing from 2B. Ruling- The runner from 2B is declared out for being struck by a batted ball. The BR is placed at 1B. The ball is not considered to have gone through or by an infielder in this play. Does NCAA rule the same? I ask because 8-5-K says The runner, including a runner in contact with a base, is hit while in fair territory by a fair batted ball before it has touched a fielder including the pitcher or passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play on the ball. Then, 6-2-e again says Passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play, and then the note references the "through or by" like OBR Note: If a fair ball goes through or by an infielder and touches a runner immediately in back of them or touches the runner after having been deflected by any fielder including the pitcher, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. This refers to a ball that passes through the infielder’s legs, or by the immediate vicinity, and strikes the runner directly behind the infielder. In making such a decision, the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the infielder and that no other infielder had a chance to make a play on the ball. So, my question is, does NCAA align with OBR, that the ball must be through or by an infielder and hit the runner directly behind that fielder to "play on"? (assuming no other infielder has a chance to make a play on the ball) Or, would this case play be ruled "play on" in NCAA since the ball passed by the third baseman, who was playing in, but well out of his reach, (so not through or by, but "passed") and no other infielder had a play on it?

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Maybe I’m mis remembering. Didn’t NCAA have a video with a pitcher covering , tagging the bag, then tripping and falling and falling and losing possession of the ball? And NCAA’s ruling was he didn’t maintain possession through the play and the runner should be called safe?

Which brings me back to my original post on this type of play

I'm just using the caseplay as a guide. It says there's no obstruction if the collision happens after the bag. He's not out for being off the base..He simply hasn't returned yet from overrunning 1B.

If he overran 1B, collided with F3, never made a move to 2B, there’s no obstruction, he simply over ran the base and hasn’t gone back yet. Casebook 8.3.2sit k

Wouldn’t that assume Kevin had the BR making a move towards 2B? I think if the runner made an attempt to 2B before the collision, it would be obstruction no matter of a tag attempt or not. If Kevin didn’t have the BR attempt towards 2B, the tag would just require a “safe” call.

I think this is the key element. I would say you need to judge if B1 was making an attempt to advance and was hindered. The more is hear about and watch these plays that are either something/nothing/Interference/obstruction...I find a recent piece of advice I received from an accomplished umpire/trainer..."When these plays happen, often it's a lot of judgement, and there's no right or wrong answer. Make your call based on what you saw and the applicable rules, and be ready to explain to the team on the losing end of the call, what you saw, and, with rulebook terminology, why you called what you called.

I’m verbal either way. It’s “catch”, and a hammer, or “that’s down” and an outstretched right arm. Neither is particularly loud. I don't see the harm in letting the batter and catcher know what’s going on.

This! And I’ll add, if I’m on the bases, and my PU waits that long to come to me (and we’re not using a voluntary strike mechanic) The chances of me having a swing are pretty slim. It would need to be almost a full swing…..especially if I’m in the middle. I’d rather shut down the DHC barking about a check swing not called a swing, than starting the 💩show that ensues after I say “yes he did”

Agree, but we're definitely getting into "I have to see it to tell you what I have" territory

I would think because we have 2 or 3 fielders there, we have to get obstruction. Normally, a fielder drifting for a pop up is protected, even if the runner veers to avoid him, and the fielder drifts into the runners path.. The fielder is still protected. But 2 or 3 fielders drifting into the path? 1 or 2 of them have to be obstructing, no?

Can U3 grab this?

But there were two fielders there.... one's protected. The other is obstructing. Even if he deviated before the ball got there. Plus, if you want to say he deviated prior, then F5 is obstructing.

Standing water, mud on the mound or batter's box with poor footing. All the things that I will look for to call a game. One bat slips out of a player's hand and we're done. Likewise, if almost every pitch results in a ball that's too slippery to grip, or pitchers are having trouble controlling pitches, it's over.

FED - Nothing says defense needs to be on the field for the offense to ask for help. I don’t see anything on “getting the right” without replay in NCAA either.

“What do you expect him to do!” …hmmm I don’t know…run??

Well… I gave it my best shot! 🤣🤣

I've got obstruction. F3 in the path without the ball. All codes. He did not enter that area because the throw "took him there" He set up there. Call it Sell it Be ready to explain using rulebook terminology. Would have been nice to see BU get a step or two towards the play...Or maybe turn his head and see what was going on before the throw got there.

If you declare a windup, you can’t start hands apart, stretch, and come set. Not all that complicated.

"I need a tax deduction" is always a good reason

No. It means you need to warm the mask prior to the game. Mine rides in the front seat with me to games near the heat vent. That’s good for the start. My face keeps them warm the rest of the game. They’ve seen a lot of low 40’s games. No issues.

My wife gets a good chuckle when I tell her…”OK, clear the table, I have to layout my jacket and get the sleeves back on.