Richvee

That was after the game...Pre ice. This morning it's almost gone. (The pretty colors haven't started yet 😄)

I don’t work the little kids anymore, but I don’t find FED games too bad in general. The worst? 16-18 travel tournament parents. They want the MLB zone for their hitters, and an 8u zone for their pitchers.

You mean something like this???. From today. It wasn’t a spiked 0-2 pitch… it was completely missed inside fastball. I told f2 “you gotta catch it before you can frame it🙄

Or… 0-2 , two outs, followed by 5 pick off throws to 1b. 😤

#1 answer…. Forearm for me.

Especially in this day and age of pitch counts. I understand don’t groove one down the middle 0-2, but OTOH, don’t throw it 8” off the plate or in the dirt either.

That's fuzzy math. You're already using 2:40 per inning. making it 120 seconds is only adding 80 seconds per inning. That's less than 10 minutes added. And 120 means Batter in the box and pitcher ready to throw at 120. If you're getting that done in 80 seconds with HS kids, congratulations.

You’re right. But my high school experience is this is the one balk rule coaches are aware of. They jump on the “going to mouth on the rubber balk” like no one’s business.

Was this not a 3-man crew? It was a 3 man crew. I have zero idea on basketball mechanics. I would guess the guy in the backcourt makes this call. It seems logical he’s the guy who could line up the players and the clock. Watching the video, it doesn’t look like that guy motions anything at all. When they get together the ref who was on the far side line seems to be the most animated and talkative during their huddle. Mafia? Ain’t Jimmy Hoffa buried under The Meadowlands? I have no speculation on this. Mafia? Hoffa? I don’t comment on such things. My body’s allergic to ice picks.

We’ll never know. Only those three refs and the NJSIAA rep know exactly how this went down. I’m not sure why an NJSIAA rep was even on the floor, but that’s another issue. I take any “reporting” of this event with less than a grain of salt. It’s all hearsay.

correct. 2010 rule interps.

I remember talking about it multiple times. Here’s the ruling. 6.1.2D casebook F1, while on the pitcher’s plate in either the windup or set position, (a) adjusts his cap, or (b) shakes off the signal with his glove, or (c) shakes off the signal with his head. RULING: In (a), (b) and (c) these are legal actions, provided these movements of the arms and legs were not associated with the pitch. (6-1-1,)

4 minutes and 22 seconds and the only thing those guys said that was correct or was "Good luck arguing with Greg Gibson"

That’s the optics on every video and everything I’ve read. It seems to be “a thing” here in NJ. A few years back in a baseball state game, u1 made a wacker call at first…. No pulled foot, no swipe tags…. Just a banger. Consulted with the crew and changed his call.

I just wanted to add this. Today the Manasquan kids went above and beyond showing class and sportsmanship regardless of what the adults tried to accomplish in courts or otherwise. Camden won the finals today. The Manasquan kids were in attendance.

We tend to have a lot of hand lickers around here. Preventive umpiring for me. A lick off the rubber and straight to the ball gets a time call and a new ball before he gets to the rubber. When it happens on the rubber no choice but to call it by the book.

THIS is the inconsistency.

Well, he’s half right. It’s immaculate. But you are allowed to walk on it 😁

Ha! I was well above toddler age. I was 12. Yeah, it sucked. We got hosed. And I learned another life lesson. Life ain’t always fair. Like I said. Different world today. For many reasons. Technology and making everything perfect… and fair…. and equal… even in sports , is in….. and sometimes you get dealt a crappy hand and you need to make the best of a bad situation — or dealing with it and moving on ….is out. yep. I’m an old grumpy man.

That works for me if you’re gonna say “last warmup and throw it down at 80. If you’re looking for pitcher on the rubber, batter alert and in the box at 80 that’s a bit much IMO.

It would be curbing catchers jumping out to the mound 12-15 times a game. It’s rampant here. This would limit non coach visits.

The buzzer would have been late if that’s why they changed the call. There’s other video where it’s pretty clear the ball was tapped in well before the buzzer. Maybe one or two of the refs saw 0.00 on the clock and no buzzer prior to the tap in and that’s what they huddled about and changed the call. NJSIAA has been hiding under their desks so far. It sure looks like there was time left when the tap in happens.

From someone who works both levels, I can attest these rules are sorely needed in high school ball. Defensive conferences number one. 20 second action clock #2. . I could live the NCAA 120 seconds between innings. 60 seconds is unrealistic and probably the reason it’s not enforced. For the twenty second clock, I’m surprised to hear you think it was smooth. Seems to me there’s too many situations not covered by FED as to when to start, restart, keep the clock running. Putting judgment into “effective step offs” sounds problematic. Did batters have 10 seconds to be ready to hit? What were you doing with batters requests for time? Granting and restarting? What happens to the clock after that? I’d be surprised if this ever filtered into national FED rules, though personally love it. I just see too many of the “I’ve been umpiring high school ball for 20 years and I have one navy shirt” guys that might have just a little trouble adjusting.

Bottom line. The gym was loud. Maybe no one heard the buzzer real well. It was originally called a basket. Refs huddled changed the call to no basket- ball touched after the buzzer. Video review strictly prohibited in NJSIAA sports. Cue the lawyers and lawsuits and subsequent hearings to “make things right” I read a local article on this today. The article’s not with reading because it’s basically a whining editorial about how this team was “cheated” and how they’ll be “scarred for life” wondering forever “what could have been “. Different world today. If this happened back in my playing days, the lesson would have been “suck it up. Sometimes things don’t go your way”.

@JSam21 Your posts and explanations of the 2sF mechanic is spot on. This is exactly how it is being taught and rationalized here on the east coast. As for initial positioning.. the farther off the line F3 is, the more “in line” with him you can get because he won’t be able to get to that line drive on the line if he’s playing towards the hole. The closer he gets to the line, the farther behind him we need to be. Never in front, and never closer than 10-12 feet from the bag. Rule of thumb.. try to be in a spot where you can see F3’s shoe laces. This should let you get a decent look at a line drive trap situation. Of course, if he’s hugging the foul line, you’re not going to able to get in a spot to see shoelaces. Bottom line, our starting position is directly related to F3’s starting position.