​ I hate to ask: was this in New Jersey?

[Velho]

 

[jimurrayalterego]

25 minutes ago, Velho said:

 

He was also in the box. Are protests allowed in NJ and how late can they be filed?

[The Man in Blue]

What box?  

@jimurrayalterego, what misapplied rule are you protesting? 

EDIT: rewatched, trying to figure out what he said.  It sounded like "Foul ball, foul ball! He's in fair territory, he's out!"  He appears to be in fair territory when the ball hits him.

It looks like a good call done poorly.

What I see that is even worse is immediately walking directly over and shaking the coach's hand.  

 

I will say kudos for some really good camera work, though.

 

[Replacematt]

25 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

He was also in the box. Are protests allowed in NJ and how late can they be filed?

Looks like a judgment issue to me. Probably saw the batter step towards third over the plate and didn't realize his position after that.

[jimurrayalterego]

26 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

What box?  

@jimurrayalterego, what misapplied rule are you protesting? 

EDIT: rewatched, trying to figure out what he said.  It sounded like "Foul ball, foul ball! He's in fair territory, he's out!"  He appears to be in fair territory when the ball hits him.

It looks like a good call done poorly.

What I see that is even worse is immediately walking directly over and shaking the coach's hand.  

 

I will say kudos for some really good camera work, though.

 

Batter hit by a batted ball in the box is a foul ball in all codes. @Replacematt has a point as far as PU's judgement but the (PUN) point was directly at the fair territory which was in the box if you had lines left. Shaking hands makes me paranoid. 

[SeeingEyeDog]

I am NOT giving an opinion here. This is the absolute WORST angle to attempt to analyze what this was. I absolutely agree with those above...

When the final play of the game is made, empty your ballbags of baseballs, walk towards the winning team's side of the field (if there is access there), locate your partner(s) visually and point to the gate where you are exiting so they know and then meet your partner(s) and simply get...off...the...field. Do NOT disappoint Master Yoda...PLEASE.

~Dawg

[The Man in Blue]

24 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Batter hit by a batted ball in the box is a foul ball in all codes. @Replacematt has a point as far as PU's judgement but the (PUN) point was directly at the fair territory which was in the box if you had lines left. Shaking hands makes me paranoid. 

I'm going to ask an odd question . . . 

Does that still apply if he has left the box?  (Watch his back foot.)

[jimurrayalterego]

10 minutes ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

I am NOT giving an opinion here. This is the absolute WORST angle to attempt to analyze what this was. I absolutely agree with those above...

When the final play of the game is made, empty your ballbags of baseballs, walk towards the winning team's side of the field (if there is access there), locate your partner(s) visually and point to the gate where you are exiting so they know and then meet your partner(s) and simply get...off...the...field. Do NOT disappoint Master Yoda...PLEASE.

~Dawg

@Richvee or other Garden State umps will be along tomorrow with the "rest of the story". 🙂

[jimurrayalterego]

11 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

I'm going to ask an odd question . . . 

Does that still apply if he has left the box?  (Watch his back foot.)

Only MLB has defined a legal position in the box which protects the batter from being hit by his fair batted ball and they now strictly call it if that batter does not have both feet touching the ground (Touching disputed by our esteemed and missed coach Rich Ives, RIP) in the box. Batter's leaving the box with one foot in the air in MLB will be out if their bunt hits them. FED and NCAA go back and forth but the takeaway is only one foot in or touching  the box protects the batter from INT and it is a foul ball. I would have to add a favorite Jim Evan's quote to how to umpire the OP play. That "is not a practical way to umpire."

[Thatsnotyou]

Controversial ending? Contentious game? One side in hot water? Yeah, get out, and be smart doing so. Generally you don’t find me after the game unless you’re seeking me out. 
 

I’ll say this though. There are some games here or there where I end up shaking HC hand. Sometimes it’s even the losing HC. HC, win or lose, that I see often approaches and wants to shake my hand and say good job see you next time…in a game where nothing out of sorts happened and I know the other coach too…(and maybe see him on the way out too depending on where everyone is/gate etc.)…I’ll oblige. A handshake in the right time/right place isn’t a big deal at the HS level, IMO. But obviously pick your spots. 

[SeeingEyeDog]

The issue for me with hand shakes is optics...If you shake the hand of the winning coach only, that's a bad look. If you shake the hand of the losing coach, you're opening yourself to a possible freebie verbal shot. Yes, there is game management for that, too but, why assume that risk?

Obviously, on a human level if someone is seeking us out or approaches us with a positive vibe and their hand out, we're shaking that person's hand...

In my market following most scholastic games, teams line up for handshakes at the plate. Typically, one or both coaches will give me a, "Thank you, Blue!" or "Good seeing you!" or some other small talk pleasantry as I am walking away and I'll say, "You're welcome!" or some other vibe neutral response. Less is more. Get off the field.

~Dawg

[Velho]

18 minutes ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Less is more. Get off the field.

Agreed. In OP I'd hug the fence to make it difficult to get offered a handshake. Drop the balls by the dugout and get out of there

Could also stick the balls in the coaches hand as he offers a handshake

[grayhawk]

I really 

14 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

What I see that is even worse is immediately walking directly over and shaking the coach's hand. 

I don't see it that way. He was heading towards the exit, taking balls out of his ball bags and the coach reached out to shake his hand. If a coach or anyone else reaches out to shake hands, it's rude to ignore that and not shake. Just don't linger.

[orangebird]

15 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

What box?  

One thing I've quickly realized is baseball kind of has a major design flaw where there are lines that are

A. very specifically measured and defined

B. pretty likely to have any proof of their existence vanish into thin air after about the 3rd inning 

[834k3r]

1 hour ago, orangebird said:

very specifically measured and defined

Not as often as you'd hope--at least for FED. I worked a game two years ago where the batters boxes were literally 15 degrees off the sides of the plate. I ended up wiping out the chalk with my shoes and redrawing the line with my foot. As we're getting ready to start the 3rd inning, the groundskeeper comes up to me and asks if I want him to rechalk the boxes. "No thank you," is what I said but what I wanted to say was something closer to "now you want to rechalk them?"

Also, the width of the "river" or the "channel" varies significantly from field to field (at least where I live).

[Velho]

4 hours ago, 834k3r said:

Also, the width of the "river" or the "channel" varies significantly from field to field (at least where I live).

Like the local turf field with boxes 4" off the plate for a 90' field?

[The Man in Blue]

5 hours ago, Velho said:

Like the local turf field with boxes 4" off the plate for a 90' field?

 

Not that most of you care, but it is worse when they play softball on turf baseball fields.

[Richvee]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:55 PM, jimurrayalterego said:

@Richvee or other Garden State umps will be along tomorrow with the "rest of the story". 🙂

I haven’t heard “the rest of the story. This is south Jersey. A different world from us northern folk. The gossip usually doesn't travel this far…. Unless it’s state tournament related. 
.. No protests allowed in NJ. 
FWIW, I have foul ball. Hit in the box. But hey, at least he came up big and sold it. 👍😁

[Velho]

7 hours ago, Richvee said:

No protests allowed in NJ.

So everyone just accepts the outcome as part of life not always going their way, even if mistakes were made? That is so enlightened and wonderful to hear. 😁

[The Man in Blue]

11 hours ago, Velho said:

So everyone just accepts the outcome as part of life not always going their way, even if mistakes were made? That is so enlightened and wonderful to hear. 😁

He didn’t say that.  He said there were no protests.

They have … other ways.  
 

[Tborze]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:06 PM, The Man in Blue said:

EDIT: rewatched, trying to figure out what he said.  It sounded like "Foul ball, foul ball! 

 

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