Teammate assists runner who missed the plate

[noumpere]

5 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

I was at the game.  There is no doubt interference was ruled and that the runner be called out.  The problem was, Crew Chief Alan Porter, in announcing the decision to the crowd, said the out was for missing the base.

No, he didn't.

He said the runner missed the base. He said the runner was out.  Both true, and he said nothing about one causing the other.

 

(Yes, he could have been more clear for those who didn't understand the out was for assistance and the challenge was to see if it wasn't really assistance because the run had already scored.)

[Jimurray]

2 minutes ago, noumpere said:

No, he didn't.

 

He didn't but that's how the fans and announcers took it along with the out being for the contact.

[Jimurray]

6 hours ago, grayhawk said:

FYI, I sent Randy Bruns an "Ask Randy a Rules Question" on RQ+ on this play. Being the off-season, it may take a while for a response.

There may already be a ruling in all the memos published on Arbiter and then RF+ but, as @JSam21 says, you have to wade thru them as NCAA doesn't collate them in a "casebook". Bruns answer to the Morgan play in 2010 was confusing and I recall opposite word of mouth opinions from Paronto.

[Velho]

3 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

you have to wade thru them as NCAA doesn't collate them in a "casebook". Bruns answer to the Morgan play in 2010 was confusing and I recall opposite word of mouth opinions from Paronto.

Tangent (sorry Maven) - do other major sports have this word of mouth governance and lack of clarity issues? The only ones that I can think of is MMA about a a 12-6 elbow and standing up for inactivity.

[Richvee]

1 hour ago, Jimurray said:

There may already be a ruling in all the memos published on Arbiter and then RF+ but, as @JSam21 says, you have to wade thru them as NCAA doesn't collate them in a "casebook". Bruns answer to the Morgan play in 2010 was confusing and I recall opposite word of mouth opinions from Paronto.

There’s been many “ask Randy” questions that could be answered directly with the rule book. It wouldn’t be the first time a previous interp was discussed on the Ask Randy “forum” 

[Jimurray]

47 minutes ago, Richvee said:

There’s been many “ask Randy” questions that could be answered directly with the rule book. It wouldn’t be the first time a previous interp was discussed on the Ask Randy “forum” 

Where would you find a previous interp? Sometimes the interp was only in that years test question. There were some that I wondered if the questioner had read the rule book. But there are some, even back to Arbiter NCAA, that it would be nice to have in some place for current reference. And some that should have an interp but don't yet, God willing they will probably not happen. e.g. Bases loaded walkoff, order of appeals (that might be already be partially covered), when to call the out on coach assist. 

[The Man in Blue]

4 hours ago, Velho said:

Tangent (sorry Maven) - do other major sports have this word of mouth governance and lack of clarity issues? The only ones that I can think of is MMA about a a 12-6 elbow and standing up for inactivity.

 

2 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Where would you find a previous interp? Sometimes the interp was only in that years test question. There were some that I wondered if the questioner had read the rule book. But there are some, even back to Arbiter NCAA, that it would be nice to have in some place for current reference. And some that should have an interp but don't yet, God willing they will probably not happen. e.g. Bases loaded walkoff, order of appeals (that might be already be partially covered), when to call the out on coach assist. 

 

Damn.  If only umpiring were a science with well documented rules written down some place instead of an art where we make it up as we go and tell people to pass it along.  If we only lived in a day and age where technology could support such a recording of ideas . . . 

[noumpere]

9 hours ago, Velho said:

Tangent (sorry Maven) - do other major sports have this word of mouth governance and lack of clarity issues? The only ones that I can think of is MMA about a a 12-6 elbow and standing up for inactivity.

Yes in basketball and volleyball.  I've heard the same for football (even though I don't work it).

[HokieUmp]

13 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Damn.  If only umpiring were a science with well documented rules written down some place instead of an art where we make it up as we go and tell people to pass it along.  If we only lived in a day and age where technology could support such a recording of ideas . . . 

Dare to dream, baby.  Dare to dream.

[The Man in Blue]

[Richvee]

17 hours ago, Jimurray said:

There were some that I wondered if the questioner had read the rule book. But there are some, even back to Arbiter NCAA, that it would be nice to have in some place for current reference.

I do not disagree. Most of the interp now are in Video bulletins. Yes, it sure would be nice if those had a search feature or   indexed by topic. 

[The Man in Blue]

Calling a men's league double header yesterday with a clinician who I really enjoy talking about the game with (but hadn't worked with before).  I was kicking over some of the recent conversations here for fodder after the game.  We talked Childress and his approach to the game, as well as the lack of cohesive sources like the BRD, and then all the "verbal rulemaking" that seems to be happening these days.

Now I am considering writing a book: Break the Game: The Unofficially Official "Unwritten Rules" of Baseball.

[BLWizzRanger]

15 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Now I am considering writing a book: Break the Game: The Unofficially Official "Unwritten Rules" of Baseball.

Make the cover Navy and I will be all over it..

[The Man in Blue]

I will not make the cover navy . . . but I will issue special collectors' covers in New Jersey and Illinois.