Tennessee-Florida State Half Swing.

[Jimurray]

CCS Lindsay rails against MLB/OBR regarding check swing criteria but NCAA has it pretty simple. Did U3 not apply the rule or not see it? On second thought, PU should have had the bat well past the front hip.

[noumpere]

I thought it was okay and would have been okay with a swing  (upon review, call stands)

 

Thought some game had a good balk call on F1 feinting to second.

[johnnyg08]

Unpopular take to follow....

I think Tony Vitello's grandstanding parade down the 3B line after his pitcher balked may have subconsciously impacted U3's ability to get that call right later in the game. 

Now...that being said...the half swing is the hardest call in the game. The nice part about the NCAA rule is that it quantifies a swing versus pure judgment by the umpire. 

People pretend that a coach losing his mind out there doesn't impact their decisions...and it probably doesn't overtly...but subconsciously, it does. Doesn't make any of us bad...it just makes us human. 

I will make the argument that if FSU is in the 3B dugout, he grabs the swing and the game is over. 

[dumbdumb]

well, here it is, a still photo, but remember all still photos come from different angles,  in case it wasn't out there earlier. and that psychology report from the mental game post, may or may not,  (rut row, one of those high school test terms, shall/shall not, will/will not etc. or has that changed) have been referring to check swings.

also let it load so you get the real time picture/video from behind the pitcher which is pretty much the angle the BU has in a 2 man system to give help the PU (PU gets the view from behind the catcher and the BU gets the 180 view from in front of the catcher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/an-extremely-questionable-check-swing-call-helped-tennessee-beat-florida-state-at-the-college-world-series/ar-BB1oh9UT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[grayhawk]

14 hours ago, Jimurray said:

PU should have had the bat well past the front hip.

PU was tracking a pitch down on the inside third of the plate. Awfully tough to grab the swing when it’s that close.

[Jimurray]

6 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

PU was tracking a pitch down on the inside third of the plate. Awfully tough to grab the swing when it’s that close.

Yes, the umpcam view confirms that.

[johnnyg08]

59 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

PU was tracking a pitch down on the inside third of the plate. Awfully tough to grab the swing when it’s that close.

For sure...and the argument is to ALWAYS ask on those. 

[grayhawk]

There's a reason that check swings are THE most argued call in baseball. The dugouts have a much better angle than any umpire. If U3 could've seen it from the 3B dugout, I'm sure he would've grabbed it. But the view down the line just doesn't give you as good of a look, and when it's that close, how many of us would have ended the game on that?

Nope, FSU had many opportunities to close out this game and failed to do so. Heck, the FSU catcher was responsible for a 2 run swing in the second inning. Top 2, he's rounding 3rd on his way to score (easily) and missed the bag. He puts on the brakes and goes back. FSU can't bring him in. The in bottom 2, he gloves a throw before the runner coming in gets within 10 feet and allows the runner's knee (on the slide) to knock the ball out. Safe. Not to mention F8 doing a terrible job tracking a ball by the first batter in bottom of 9. Instead of a caught fly ball, the leadoff batter gets a triple.

[BigBlue4u]

8 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Nope, FSU had many opportunities to close out this game and failed to do so.

A perfect example of why one cannot reduce a game to one play or one call.

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, BigBlue4u said:

A perfect example of why one cannot reduce a game to one play or one call.

Or one managerial decision. @beerguy55 would you pitch to the guy who already hit for the cycle or put him on 1B either outright or around him? But was this a rule kick or a judgement error? We don't know and coach doesn't know enough to come out and question the rule. In fact he still thinks barrel past HP is the rule. You come out and ask if U3 saw the barrel in front of the hip you either have a judgement call or a rules issue.

[beerguy55]

11 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Or one managerial decision. @beerguy55 would you pitch to the guy who already hit for the cycle or put him on 1B either outright or around him?

Yeah - I don't really care about lefty/lefty.   Good hitters may not be as good against same side pitchers, but they're still good. (ie. it's not like the OC felt so strongly he put in a RHB)  First base is open - I'm likely not intentionally walking him, but he's not getting anything in the strike zone...if I get him to 2-0 I'll put him on...yes, it puts the winning run on base, but if the batter is this hot I'll likely take my chances with the next guy.  Having said that, they had put up 9 runs, so maybe the next guy was 3/4 at the plate and it doesn't really matter.

 

 

[Thunderheads]

On 6/16/2024 at 10:21 AM, johnnyg08 said:

Unpopular take to follow....

I think Tony Vitello's grandstanding parade down the 3B line after his pitcher balked may have subconsciously impacted U3's ability to get that call right later in the game. 

Now...that being said...the half swing is the hardest call in the game. The nice part about the NCAA rule is that it quantifies a swing versus pure judgment by the umpire. 

People pretend that a coach losing his mind out there doesn't impact their decisions...and it probably doesn't overtly...but subconsciously, it does. Doesn't make any of us bad...it just makes us human. 

I will make the argument that if FSU is in the 3B dugout, he grabs the swing and the game is over. 

Having Vitello be allowed to rant and rave like he did was BEYOND ME!!!!!!!!  All 4 umpires just looked at him and did nothing.   That was shocking!

[grayhawk]

2 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

Having Vitello be allowed to rant and rave like he did was BEYOND ME!!!!!!!!  All 4 umpires just looked at him and did nothing.   That was shocking!

No way he's not ejected (or at a BARE minimum, warned) anywhere but the CWS. Way more rope given in Omaha.

[Thunderheads]

57 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

No way he's not ejected (or at a BARE minimum, warned) anywhere but the CWS. Way more rope given in Omaha.

understood, but that's WAYYYYYYY TOO MUCH ROPE!!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!  That was embarrassing

[dumbdumb]

12 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

understood, but that's WAYYYYYYY TOO MUCH ROPE!!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!  That was embarrassing

but this is what they (the higher ups) want or it would not be this way.

they want to let them bully and berate the umpires and just have the umpires look the other way and take it (what are you looking at, get your head out  of my dugout, etc), because players and coaches rule. what are they learning. squeaky wheel gets the oil. work the official. earl weaver said he got calls doing this, jim palmer said he lost calls doing this.

like i said, is this how we are all treated at work. bullied and berated in everything we do by the boss, and his bosses all the way to the top. why should the umpires. why should they be expected to be bullied and berated. why do you think so many say, i would not do what you do because of all the sheet you take. that could be cleaned up very quickly, but they do not want it cleaned up.

so, why the wonder of not being able to find people that want to officiate. so who are they going to argue with when full ABS systems get deployed and full replay gets deployed. how many officials will they really need, and what happens when all sports are officiated from rooms is chelsea or some other area in a big building full of cameras, when we get to that point. chelsea doesn't have to listen to it.

 

Hey if you dont agree to be yelled at, berated, put down, shamed, verbally bullied/abused often and once in a while a possibly bump, push, or beaked then don't umpire. that is what they want, and like i said, it could be remedied very easily but they do not want that.

rather than a keep em in the game, it should be told to leave that whining and crying during the season at home, and just play ball now that you have made the Regionals, Supers and CWS (those other teams are home watching now), and we expect even better behaviour the farther you go, and have told the umpires to take even less than the little they take during the season. this is your warning now, before the tournament even starts. no warnings now.

 

[Richvee]

On 6/16/2024 at 12:09 PM, johnnyg08 said:

For sure...and the argument is to ALWAYS ask on those. 

Unless you're the defense and PU asks and gets a "no swing" back from the wing. Then it becomes "You need to get that yourself!"

[johnnyg08]

1 hour ago, Richvee said:

Unless you're the defense and PU asks and gets a "no swing" back from the wing. Then it becomes "You need to get that yourself!"

For sure. It's the unwinnable situation. 

[dumbdumb]

but if you clearly see the bat all the way and you got a call that you personally see is 100 per cent correct, why do you have to ask, you just make the decision/call yourself, just like other calls.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/video-umpire-makes-terrible-call-in-ncaa-super-regional-game