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kylehutson

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1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

Does each state write its own test questions, or do they mainly come from an NFHS question bank?

I know some states write their own, but Kansas does the same as you. They give us the entire unmodified NFHS test ahead of time, and then we go online to fill it out for-realsies.

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The Man in Blue
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I a.) don't know b.) what to c.) think d.) None of the above e.) All of the some of the above

Kevin_K
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It cant be "all of the above" if "none of the above" comes first. 

HokieUmp
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Given the "logic" of the NFHS test-writers (and yeah, I AM aware of the contradiction in that opening clause), I'm leaning to the "all of the above" as well.  I understand @Kevin_K's point, but since

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noumpere

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13 minutes ago, kylehutson said:

I know some states write their own, but Kansas does the same as you. They give us the entire unmodified NFHS test ahead of time, and then we go online to fill it out for-realsies.

IL writes its own questions and sends out the entire library from which 25 are selected for each umpire.

834k3r

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1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

Not sure how other states work, but we can download the test ahead of time.  I do this each year and work all 50 questions.  Then, when the actual test opens, I just plug in my answers.

Does each state write its own test questions, or do they mainly come from an NFHS question bank?

I didn't see any link to download the test. Our testing is handled through Dragonfly, which is what our assignor uses to schedule games as well (basically, it's Arbiter with an association with NFHS). I click on a link in Dragonfly and it directs me to the NFHS test site.

The Man in Blue

The Man in Blue

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7 hours ago, noumpere said:

IL writes its own questions and sends out the entire library from which 25 are selected for each umpire.

 

Do they write it at the IHSA?  I thought it came from NFHS ... but I never knew for sure.

Jimurray

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41 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

I've been hating on #11 for a while now. I don't like the question...and I dislike the answer more!

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Why would you hate calling it a foul ball in FED, by their rules, although it would be an out in OBR

johnnyg08

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Why would you hate calling it a foul ball in FED, by their rules, although it would be an out in OBR

Okay, I'm listening...it's possible that I'm missing something

7-3-2 Art 2 States: 
"A batter shall not.."

Art 2: Hit the ball while either foot or knee is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate
 
Penalty: For infractions Articles 2 & 3, the ball becomes dead immediately and the batter is out
 
The Man in Blue

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28 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

Okay, I'm listening...it's possible that I'm missing something

7-3-2 Art 2 States: 
"A batter shall not.."

Art 2: Hit the ball while either foot or knee is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate
 
Penalty: For infractions Articles 2 & 3, the ball becomes dead immediately and the batter is out
 

You are.  It is poorly written, but it states he LEGALLY HITS the ball, then his stride takes his foot out of the box where the ball hits him.  He did not hit it while his foot was out there.

Bigger grammar gripe with that question ... "The batted ball bounces up and accidentally hits B1's leg."  The ball cannot "accidentally" do anything.  It is an inanimate object.

johnnyg08

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4 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

You are.  It is poorly written, but it states he LEGALLY HITS the ball, then his stride takes his foot out of the box where the ball hits him.  He did not hit it while his foot was out there.

The key cites: 2-26-1g

Foul Ball, Foul Tip
g. that hits the ground or home plate and then hits the batter or the bat which is held by the batter, while the batter is in the batter's box. 
The Man in Blue

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3 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

The key cites: 2-26-1g

Foul Ball, Foul Tip
g. that hits the ground or home plate and then hits the batter or the bat which is held by the batter, while the batter is in the batter's box. 

By FED definition, he is still in the batter's box.

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Jimurray

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1 minute ago, johnnyg08 said:

The key cites: 2-26-1g

Foul Ball, Foul Tip
g. that hits the ground or home plate and then hits the batter or the bat which is held by the batter, while the batter is in the batter's box. 

 

You are going all over the place #339 is simple. 

Otherwise on your OP.

FED would have that batter in the box. OBR would not. NCAA I don't know.

 

 

 

johnnyg08

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5 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

 

You are going all over the place #339 is simple. 

Otherwise on your OP.

FED would have that batter in the box. OBR would not. NCAA I don't know.

That's a bit aggressive. #39 is conceptually in the exact same family of rules as #11. 

Jimurray

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10 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

That's a bit aggressive. #39 is conceptually in the exact same family of rules as #11. 

Could you post the family of rules concept you are referring to? Separate rules apply to 11 and 39. 

johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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Could you post the family of rules concept you are referring to? Separate rules apply to 11 and 39. 

Not playing any longer. This isn't difficult to grasp. 

 

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noumpere

noumpere

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8 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

Not playing any longer. This isn't difficult to grasp. 

 

Question 11 asks about the batter-runner being hit with a legally batted ball.

 

Question 39 asks about the batter hitting a pitch.

beerguy55

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On 2/7/2023 at 4:59 AM, Kevin_K said:

It cant be "all of the above" if "none of the above" comes first. 

This was my first thought...if the answer is "All of the Above" that would tear away the very fabric of the entire universe...though it's possible the effect would be just localized to our galaxy.

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Tborze

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11 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

Yes. 

I seem to remember a CP, ‘05 maybe, B1 bunts the ball in front of HP and hits the bater with one foot outside the box and the other foot is in the air. Ruling was the batter is considered out of the box if both feet were touching the ground completely outside of the box. 
I also may be confusing this with LL.  
LL rule on this?

johnnyg08

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11 minutes ago, Tborze said:

I seem to remember a CP, ‘05 maybe, B1 bunts the ball in front of HP and hits the bater with one foot outside the box and the other foot is in the air. Ruling was the batter is considered out of the box if both feet were touching the ground completely outside of the box. 
I also may be confusing this with LL.  
LL rule on this?

Last night, I looked in Preseason Guides back to 2007 and didn't really find anything definitive regarding an interp. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, or even that I disagree with what the test and others are saying, only that it's difficult to find language around what determines out of the box. The rule book does a nice job about addressing being in the box, but I'm not having a ton of success finding language/interps around what determines out of the box. There's even an old thread on here from 2011 that I resurrected that discusses this same issue. And I should add, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, just that I'm struggling with finding it. 

Tborze

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9 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

Last night, I looked in Preseason Guides back to 2007 and didn't really find anything definitive regarding an interp. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, or even that I disagree with what the test and others are saying, only that it's difficult to find language around what determines out of the box. The rule book does a nice job about addressing being in the box, but I'm not having a ton of success finding language/interps around what determines out of the box. There's even an old thread on here from 2011 that I resurrected that discusses this same issue. And I should add, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, just that I'm struggling with finding it. 

I saw the resurrected thread. Richvee pointed out an interp but not sure that applies as it involved the bat. 
To me, the FED default is both feet completely out. 
BRD has nothing?

johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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10 minutes ago, Tborze said:

I saw the resurrected thread. Richvee pointed out an interp but not sure that applies as it involved the bat. 
To me, the FED default is both feet completely out. 
BRD has nothing?

I don't dispute that two feet is the requirement, but I haven't been successful finding interps or AO on this. Next stop...BRD. 

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