NFHS Test

[Jimurray]

7 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

I don't dispute that two feet is the requirement, but I haven't been successful finding interps or AO on this. Next stop...BRD. 

2015 Interps:

"SITUATION 16: The batter legally contacts the pitch with his bat and his lead foot then lands on the ground outside of the batter’s box. The batted ball contacts the ground in front of home plate and spins back, contacting the batter’s leg that is outside the batter’s box. RULING: This is a foul ball. With one foot still in the batter’s box, the batter is considered to be in the batter’s box at the time he was contacted by the batted ball. (2-16-1g)"

That being said, Texas has had test questions that protected the batter that had no foot touching the box, requiring 2 feet to touch the ground outside. The discrepancy explained as NFHS is going to change the interp and add a caseplay. Which hasn't happened.

[Catch18]

We just got the test here in Ohio. Is it similar to last year where correct answers were almost verbatim from case plays? I felt that’s how it was written/structured. Not saying anything wrong with that, just curious.

[BDad]

10 hours ago, Tborze said:

I seem to remember a CP, ‘05 maybe, B1 bunts the ball in front of HP and hits the bater with one foot outside the box and the other foot is in the air. Ruling was the batter is considered out of the box if both feet were touching the ground completely outside of the box. 
I also may be confusing this with LL.  
LL rule on this?

From the 2022 LL RIM

Rule 6.03 - The batter's legal position shall be both feet within the batter's box.
A.R. - The lines defining the box are within the batter's box.

Rule 6.05 - A batter is out when -
(f) a fair ball touches said batter before touching a fielder;
INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: When this happens, it is almost always as a batter leaves the batter's box. Make sure the batter is entirely out of the batter's box when you call this, otherwise, call "foul ball".

Rule 6.06 - A batter is out for illegal action when -
(a) hitting the ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box;
A.R. - If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter's box, he/she shall be called out.
INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: The batter is NOT out for hitting the ball while part of their foot is touching Home Plate, unless no part of that foot is touching the line of the batter's box. (i.e. The entire foot is completely outside the Batter's Box and On the Ground. The lines are considered part of the batter's box.)

 

 

[Jimurray]

11 hours ago, BDad said:

From the 2022 LL RIM

Rule 6.03 - The batter's legal position shall be both feet within the batter's box.
A.R. - The lines defining the box are within the batter's box.

Rule 6.05 - A batter is out when -
(f) a fair ball touches said batter before touching a fielder;
INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: When this happens, it is almost always as a batter leaves the batter's box. Make sure the batter is entirely out of the batter's box when you call this, otherwise, call "foul ball".

 

 

 

LL did not change the OBR 2010 "Clarified rules on a ball that deflects to hit a batter or a bat while the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box and has not intended to interfere with the course of the ball. (Rules 6.05(g) and 6.05(h))" 

So their interp remains for LL as most of us would remember that as the way to call that situation. MLB called it the same way but I haven't found any MLB/OBR interp that advised you to call it by that LL interp. Some literal rules readers, back in the day, without knowledge of the unofficial interp would actually call the batter out. But the 2010 OBR clarification specified a legal position within the box, the 6.03 position which was a change to what we understood. And there was evidence that MLB was calling batters out as they were leaving the box and no longer had both feet within the box. Some of the calls had us wondering if within also meant touching the ground. Earlier threads on this cite the WUM as confirming the rule. I haven't seen any recent plays that would confirm that MLB is still calling it that way but the rule wording has not changed.

[BLWizzRanger]

11 hours ago, BDad said:

From the 2022 LL RIM

Rule 6.03 - The batter's legal position shall be both feet within the batter's box.
A.R. - The lines defining the box are within the batter's box.

Rule 6.05 - A batter is out when -
(f) a fair ball touches said batter before touching a fielder;
INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: When this happens, it is almost always as a batter leaves the batter's box. Make sure the batter is entirely out of the batter's box when you call this, otherwise, call "foul ball".

Rule 6.06 - A batter is out for illegal action when -
(a) hitting the ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box;
A.R. - If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter's box, he/she shall be called out.
INSTRUCTOR'S COMMENTS: The batter is NOT out for hitting the ball while part of their foot is touching Home Plate, unless no part of that foot is touching the line of the batter's box. (i.e. The entire foot is completely outside the Batter's Box and On the Ground. The lines are considered part of the batter's box.)

 

 

I swear to Jobu that I had two, not one, two HRs hit with both batters' front foot outside the box in a 18-1 game on Monday.  I didn't have the heart to call them out as it was their first  this season and it didn't decide the game.  Would have loved to called them out to finish the game though.

I even re-drew the line with my foot DURING THE AT BATs so that I had a better visual of what was going on.  Batters didn't take note of what I was doing. Oh well.

[zoops]

How about this one?  Googled it and the same question was on the 2020 test when I think it was new guidance (D was correct then).  Assuming it's still D but the rulebook only mentions the verbiage of choice C.

The catcher shall wear a body/chest protector that meets the NOCSAE standard at the time of manufacture. The body/chest protector options are:

 A) Traditional chest protector with a NOCSAE-approved pad attached.

 B) A compression shirt that has a NOCSAE-approved cardiac cavity protector built into the shirt.

 C) A newly manufactured traditional chest protector that meets the NOCSAE standard.

 D) All of the above

[scubabob34]

29 minutes ago, zoops said:

How about this one?  Googled it and the same question was on the 2020 test when I think it was new guidance (D was correct then).  Assuming it's still D but the rulebook only mentions the verbiage of choice C.

The catcher shall wear a body/chest protector that meets the NOCSAE standard at the time of manufacture. The body/chest protector options are:

 A) Traditional chest protector with a NOCSAE-approved pad attached.

 B) A compression shirt that has a NOCSAE-approved cardiac cavity protector built into the shirt.

 C) A newly manufactured traditional chest protector that meets the NOCSAE standard.

 D) All of the above

I agree the rulebook was vague on this question vs. almost all of the other ones were straight quotes from the rules.  The answer they're looking for is "D".

[Velho]

On 2/8/2023 at 12:11 PM, BLWizzRanger said:

Well, we are talking about a national association that prints their rule book every year. You think they would get good at it.  But, you have Chapter 4 - Starting and Ending Game  and Chapter 5 - Starting and Ending Game.  Not exactly a run of the mill typo.

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