Runners lane interference

[dumbdumb]

here is the youtube version.

go to 10:15 and watch. at 11:18 the replay review show 2 umpires and they are confirming the call. so, if you want to say it was only the PU making the call, right or wrong, there was a 2nd umpire confirming it with him, and therefor since there was the replay, right or wrong, both are responsible for that decision, not just the PU that originally called it. it would be the same if they overturned the call also. both would be equally responsible and this is not saying they would be right or wrong either way. ir on the field by the on field umpires puts the onus on more than just the calling umpire on the field. too bad there is not a neutral site manned replay center for Brunns and others at NCAA headquarters out in indiana to review the plays, especially during the playoffs. bring in all the staff and area supervisors to man the center, or let them make the replay decisions if they are on site.

 

[Velho]

Thanks @dumbdumb. Are you exploring the process or have an opinion on the ruling (curious, not criticizing)?

[MidAmUmp]

1 hour ago, dumbdumb said:

here is the youtube version.

go to 10:15 and watch. at 11:18 the replay review show 2 umpires and they are confirming the call. so, if you want to say it was only the PU making the call, right or wrong, there was a 2nd umpire confirming it with him, and therefor since there was the replay, right or wrong, both are responsible for that decision, not just the PU that originally called it. it would be the same if they overturned the call also. both would be equally responsible and this is not saying they would be right or wrong either way. ir on the field by the on field umpires puts the onus on more than just the calling umpire on the field. too bad there is not a neutral site manned replay center for Brunns and others at NCAA headquarters out in indiana to review the plays, especially during the playoffs. bring in all the staff and area supervisors to man the center, or let them make the replay decisions if they are on site.

 

There is central review in post season. No one on the field is involved with instant replay. They put on the headsets and communicate with the central replay…I believe it’s located in Pennsylvania. The NCAA reviewed the play and the NCAA confirmed the call on the field.

[dumbdumb]

1 hour ago, Velho said:

Thanks @dumbdumb. Are you exploring the process or have an opinion on the ruling (curious, not criticizing)?

what do i know, i am only a lowly timer at swim meets.

[dumbdumb]

34 minutes ago, MidAmUmp said:

There is central review in post season. No one on the field is involved with instant replay. They put on the headsets and communicate with the central replay…I believe it’s located in Pennsylvania. The NCAA reviewed the play and the NCAA confirmed the call on the field.

thank you for your insights @MidAmUmp. i know you are on the front lines with the sources.

now, to quote or almost quote a phrase from last month. once i send it to New York Pennsylvania, it is out of my friggin hands.

congrats on your Summit Conference Tournament selection.

[Richvee]

8 hours ago, maven said:

FED doesn't use that term, but it does depend on the BR's hindering the fielder taking (or "fielding," whatever that means—right Steve?) the throw at 1B.

This rules out, for example, the no-throw situation. But it also implies that the provision still requires something like a quality throw, which OBR interprets as a throw that has a chance to retire the runner. Late throws, non-throws, clear overthrows—in none of these cases would we rule RLI.

I'm not qualified to have an opinion about the play in the video.

SITUATION 7: B1 lays down a bunt that is fielded by F2 in fair territory a few feet in front of home plate. As B1 is 60 feet from home base, he is running outside the running lane with one foot completely in fair ground and not touching the lines of the running lane. F2 fields the ball and (a) attempts to throw to first but throws high into right field as he tries not to hit B1, or (b) does not attempt a throw. RULING: B1 is required to be in the running lane the last 45 feet to first base when the ball is fielded and thrown from an area behind him. In (a), this is interference and B1 is out and the ball is declared dead. In (b), since there was no throw, there is no interference. F2 is not required to hit B1 to demonstrate that B1 is out of the running lane, but a throw must be made for the interference to be declared. (8-4-1g

 

Seems pretty clear in this case play in (a) the throw was airmailed over f3’s head and RLI is the call. 

[Gfoley4]

5 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

is this play ir'able. did they go to ir. if so, with 4-6 umpires on hand, how many get to see the replay and offer their input. who decides the final call if nobody is in agreement. how does that go. what if the vote is even.

also, if you click around the sites this weekend for super regionals you should find the HPU working at a site and also the 2BU.

Edit: didn’t see other replies. Already answered

Edited June 8, 2022 by Gfoley4

[ricka56]

With respect to the quality of throw criteria, it seems that NCAA and OBR/MLB are the same (though the coding may not be). I can't remember not having a "discussion" with a coach when I've made this call (and sometimes when I have nothing). In OBR the phrase that keeps the umpire out of trouble is: "a throw that has a chance to retire the runner". Is there a concise phrase that an NCAA umpire can use to keep out of trouble ?

[umpstu]

On 6/7/2022 at 9:51 PM, MidAmUmp said:

There is central review in post season. No one on the field is involved with instant replay. They put on the headsets and communicate with the central replay…I believe it’s located in Pennsylvania. The NCAA reviewed the play and the NCAA confirmed the call on the field.

It was the right call.

 

[Senor Azul]

Mr. ricka56, I would say that you could use the same phrase for NCAA. From the 2019-2020 College Baseball Rules Study Guide by George Demetriou concerning RLI (p. 37):

(5) The quality of the throw is a factor. Interference should not be declared if the throw has no realistic chance of retiring the batter-runner. A violation may occur if the batter-runner is out of the lane on either side. It depends on from where the throw is made…

And on pages 39-40 the following case plays appear:

Play 2-50  B1 is called out on strike three. The pitch gets away from F2 and rolls toward the first base dugout. B1 is running in fair territory about two-thirds of the way to first when he is struck by F2’s throw. Ruling:  The play stands. F2 made an errant throw. Although B1 was not in the lane, his position did not interfere with F3 taking a quality throw.

Play 2-51  B1 is called out on strike three. The pitch gets away from F2 and rolls along the first-base line extended. B1 is running in fair territory about two-thirds of the way to first when F2 realizes he does not have a line of sight to F3. He throws the ball over B1. F3 leaps but cannot reach the ball. Ruling:  B1 is out for interference. Although F2 made an errant throw, it was attributable to B1 being outside the lane. His position interfered with F2 making a quality throw.