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JonnyCat

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I know it is slow this time of year, so I wanted some opinions and maybe some debate on a situation. I have my own opinion and have a disagreement with a partner. This partner is a very good umpire, and one I have worked with and like to work with.

 

Situation. 16u weekend travel tournament last month, low key, OBR. I'm base umpire. Around the start of the 3rd inning or so, I'm in "A" waiting for partner to put the ball in play. Instead, he is having a conversation with the catcher. I can't hear what they are discussing, but it looks like it is about the catchers mask or some other equipment problem. I assume that something is broken and just wait. Defensive team is on the first base side and catcher runs into the dugout and starts looking through his gear bag. Next thing I know, the manager is yelling for his right fielder to come to the dugout. I thought they were going to change catchers, but no. They need the right fielders cup! He gives it to the catcher, catcher puts it on, and we start the inning. Yes, at the begining of the inning, the plate umpire asked the catcher if he was wearing a cup, and also asked him to knock on it for proof. Game went on without a hitch, and no one complained.

 

During our post game we discussed the situation and partner, admitedly so, asks catchers about cups all the time. This is not the first time I've seen him do it. Again, very good umpire, one of my favorite partners. He does everything from Adult ball, High School, and LL. But we disagree on this subject. He says it's about safety and he will continue to do it. I say maybe LL majors and below, but not at this level. I'm not sure if he asks at adult or high school levels, but certainly travelball and LL.

 

I never ask the catcher at any level, let alone a 16u tournament. As far as I'm concerned, my responsibility ends at the plate meeting after I have asked if players are properly equipped.

 

So, my questions are:

 

Not our responsibility to ask the catcher for a cup check, or do you feel it is right, and do any of you do it, and at what level(s)?

 

What would you say, or how would you react to a partner that did or does something similar? No big deal, mild post game discussion, or have a "come to Jesus" post game?

 

Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks.

 

 

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grayhawk
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Never asked, never will. My responsibility ends at the plate meeting with "Are all players properly equipped?" If a partner does it, I probably wouldn't care. If he wants to look like an idiot, why s

UMP45
UMP45

OOO.

MidAmUmp
MidAmUmp

I've never worried about a 16 year old boy's wiener.

grayhawk

grayhawk

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Never asked, never will. My responsibility ends at the plate meeting with "Are all players properly equipped?"

If a partner does it, I probably wouldn't care. If he wants to look like an idiot, why should I stand in the way?

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umpstu

umpstu

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I know it is slow this time of year, so I wanted some opinions and maybe some debate on a situation. I have my own opinion and have a disagreement with a partner. This partner is a very good umpire, and one I have worked with and like to work with.

 

Situation. 16u weekend travel tournament last month, low key, OBR. I'm base umpire. Around the start of the 3rd inning or so, I'm in "A" waiting for partner to put the ball in play. Instead, he is having a conversation with the catcher. I can't hear what they are discussing, but it looks like it is about the catchers mask or some other equipment problem. I assume that something is broken and just wait. Defensive team is on the first base side and catcher runs into the dugout and starts looking through his gear bag. Next thing I know, the manager is yelling for his right fielder to come to the dugout. I thought they were going to change catchers, but no. They need the right fielders cup! He gives it to the catcher, catcher puts it on, and we start the inning. Yes, at the begining of the inning, the plate umpire asked the catcher if he was wearing a cup, and also asked him to knock on it for proof. Game went on without a hitch, and no one complained.

 

During our post game we discussed the situation and partner, admitedly so, asks catchers about cups all the time. This is not the first time I've seen him do it. Again, very good umpire, one of my favorite partners. He does everything from Adult ball, High School, and LL. But we disagree on this subject. He says it's about safety and he will continue to do it. I say maybe LL majors and below, but not at this level. I'm not sure if he asks at adult or high school levels, but certainly travelball and LL.

 

I never ask the catcher at any level, let alone a 16u tournament. As far as I'm concerned, my responsibility ends at the plate meeting after I have asked if players are properly equipped.

 

So, my questions are:

 

Not our responsibility to ask the catcher for a cup check, or do you feel it is right, and do any of you do it, and at what level(s)?

 

What would you say, or how would you react to a partner that did or does something similar? No big deal, mild post game discussion, or have a "come to Jesus" post game?

 

Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks.

The only time I would want my partner too ask is at a game where they are required to. That being said, I could care less if he asks the catcher if he's wearing a cup. Who cares? What is the big deal?

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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N_E_V_E_R!

 

And, ...I'd tell my partner afterwards, ... "that's not your job"

 

If he wants to continue it, so be it, but ......it's not his job at any level, but good Lord, ... 16U ?!? :no:

siz

siz

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I agree about not asking directly, but what if F2 offers the info like "Oh Man!  I hope nothing bad happens today.  I forgot my cup!"

 

Now you know he's not properly equipped.  Ignore?

Stan W.

Stan W.

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After I ask the coach "are your teams properly and legally equipped?".....then its their responsibility...........and as a former catcher........wearing a cup is properly equipped....

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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if you want to act like a Little League Umpire--just work Little League

 

We don't do this either, so why the dig at Little League?

 

 

Because in youth leagues the coach probably wont know what's included when you ask about players being legally equipped. The PU asking the catcher is common - and probably necessary at most of the 12U levels.  Been in LL for 40 years. Trust me on this one.

grayhawk

grayhawk

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if you want to act like a Little League Umpire--just work Little League

 

We don't do this either, so why the dig at Little League?

 

 

Because in youth leagues the coach probably wont know what's included when you ask about players being legally equipped. The PU asking the catcher is common - and probably necessary at most of the 12U levels.  Been in LL for 40 years. Trust me on this one.

 

 

I get what you are saying, but the bolded above means the league is failing to properly train the coaches.  It all starts with the president and the board and if they are doing what they are supposed to do, then coaches should be fully apprised as to what "properly equipped" means, as well as all other safety measures.

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scrounge

scrounge

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if you want to act like a Little League Umpire--just work Little League

 

We don't do this either, so why the dig at Little League?

 

 

Because in youth leagues the coach probably wont know what's included when you ask about players being legally equipped. The PU asking the catcher is common - and probably necessary at most of the 12U levels.  Been in LL for 40 years. Trust me on this one.

 

 

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dude...chill...

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MidAmUmp

MidAmUmp

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Look, here's the deal...if your league/level expects you to ask if the players are properly equipped, do so at the plate meeting.  If the coaches say they are, then it's on them if little Tucker wears one in the twig and berries.  It is not an umpire's responsibility to ask the players, that's on the coach.  If the coach doesn't know what properly equipped means, then he shouldn't be out there, or he should ask for clarification.  This isn't soccer...we don't do cup checks.

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basejester

basejester

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uhhh...does anyone else find it weird that two kids shared a cup?

Perhaps you should research internet sites for "two boys, one cup".  There's probably some information out there.

umpstu

umpstu

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uhhh...does anyone else find it weird that two kids shared a cup?

Perhaps you should research internet sites for "two boys, one cup".  There's probably some information out there.

 

It exists. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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if you want to act like a Little League Umpire--just work Little League

 

We don't do this either, so why the dig at Little League?

 

 

Because in youth leagues the coach probably wont know what's included when you ask about players being legally equipped. The PU asking the catcher is common - and probably necessary at most of the 12U levels.  Been in LL for 40 years. Trust me on this one.

 

 

I get what you are saying, but the bolded above means the league is failing to properly train the coaches.  It all starts with the president and the board and if they are doing what they are supposed to do, then coaches should be fully apprised as to what "properly equipped" means, as well as all other safety measures.

 

 

 You can train until you're blue in the face and many still don't get it. Been there. Many times.

 

"Where does it say that?"   "Oh, you meant that?"  "It doesn't apply to hockey type helmets does it?"  "Why did they sell me this bat if it's illegal?"  "We just paid $150 for that new glove. You can't make her use something else."   "The big kids can wear metal spikes, why not here?"  "I don't have to stay in the dugout, I can see what's going on from here."

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Will someone please tell Bam that running a LL is a team effort and the umpires are part of the team.

 

In addition to that basic concept:

 

8.01 (b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of Little League International, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules. Each umpire has authority to order a player, coach, manager or league officer to do or refrain from doing anything that affects the administering of these rules and to enforce the prescribed penalties.

 

In a safety-first organization like LL it is everyone's job to make sure the safety rules are followed. Trust, but verify.

spiritump

spiritump

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if you want to act like a Little League Umpire--just work Little League

 

We don't do this either, so why the dig at Little League?

no dig, when I worked Little League we where supposed to ask if the catcher had a cup on.

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