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Kevin Finnerty

Kevin Finnerty

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Atkins; Barnes; Crane; Dolittle...

 

To start an inning, Atkins reaches first on a hit. Crane bats next and grounds into a double play. The manager of the defensive team calls time and appeals to the umpire that Crane was batting out of order.

 

Who's out; who's up? Is it three outs, inning over?

 

What do you have?

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grayhawk
grayhawk

I have the dumbest manager in the history of baseball.

johnnyg08
johnnyg08

BTW, welcome back KFinn.  

johnnyg08
johnnyg08

once appealed the umpire must enforce the batter out of order. This is not an option play. That's where your game management comes into play.

alex7

alex7

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my non-book work guess:

 

Fed - the outs made on the play by other runners stand.  Barnes is also out for being a doofus and not batting.  Crane's out would not stand, and he's now up to bat. Can't imagine a guy making 2 outs in the same inning or even better on the same play.  

 

OBR - Barnes is out, Crane comes up again, Atkins back to 1st.

 

NCAA - hope it's the same as OBR.

afaber12

afaber12

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I have the dumbest manager in the history of baseball.

 

I dunno... If he doubled off before, maybe he'll do it again. :)

MRG9999

MRG9999

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Atkins back to 1B, Barnes is out, and Crane is at bat.  This same scenerio happened to us in a LL District semi-final game.  The umpires got it right.

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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once appealed the umpire must enforce the batter out of order. This is not an option play. That's where your game management comes into play.

ahh haahh!

 

So, ... regardless, ....it's like any other BOO?

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JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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once appealed the umpire must enforce the batter out of order. This is not an option play. That's where your game management comes into play.

ahh haahh!

 

So, ... regardless, ....it's like any other BOO?

 

In OBR but FED is like @alex7 mentioned. (I think)

maven

maven

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.
 
NFHS 7-1-1:
...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

Wow, ...ok .... yep @alex7 had it too .....

 

Funny thing is .... 99% of any coaches wouldn't know if you ruled properly or not .....

grayhawk

grayhawk

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

 

It's important to quote the next part too:

 

"An out for batting out of order supersedes an out made by the improper batter on the play."

 

This means you can't take the out on the improper batter AND the out on the proper batter (the one who should have been batting).  As Alex and others have said - In this case, once appealed, Barnes is out and Crane is back up to bat.  Atkins' out stands.

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

 

It's important to quote the next part too:

 

"An out for batting out of order supersedes an out made by the improper batter on the play."

 

This means you can't take the out on the improper batter AND the out on the proper batter (the one who should have been batting).  As Alex and others have said - In this case, once appealed, Barnes is out and Crane is back up to bat.  Atkins' out stands.

 

I agree to agree

maven

maven

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

 

It's important to quote the next part too:

 

"An out for batting out of order supersedes an out made by the improper batter on the play."

 

This means you can't take the out on the improper batter AND the out on the proper batter (the one who should have been batting).  As Alex and others have said - In this case, once appealed, Barnes is out and Crane is back up to bat.  Atkins' out stands.

 

 

You're saying that you can't get 3 outs on this play: 2 for the double play (Atkins and Crane, "those outs stand!") and one for BOO ( Barnes, "the proper batter is out, too!").

 

I agree: Atkins's out "stands," but Barnes's out for BOO supersedes (replaces) Crane's out at 1B.

 

Still two outs on the play, but it's important to know who is out: in this play, for example, Crane is now up to bat with 2 outs and no runners. If we ruled him out, then Dolittle should be up.

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

 

It's important to quote the next part too:

 

"An out for batting out of order supersedes an out made by the improper batter on the play."

 

This means you can't take the out on the improper batter AND the out on the proper batter (the one who should have been batting).  As Alex and others have said - In this case, once appealed, Barnes is out and Crane is back up to bat.  Atkins' out stands.

 

 

You're saying that you can't get 3 outs on this play: 2 for the double play (Atkins and Crane, "those outs stand!") and one for BOO ( Barnes, "the proper batter is out, too!").

 

I agree: Atkins's out "stands," but Barnes's out for BOO supersedes (replaces) Crane's out at 1B.

 

Still two outs on the play, but it's important to know who is out: in this play, for example, Crane is now up to bat with 2 outs and no runners. If we ruled him out, then Dolittle should be up.

 

I think this is what we are saying.

grayhawk

grayhawk

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FED is indeed different. If the defense records a double play and then appeals BOO, they will still get 2 outs, not just 1 by the proper batter.

 

NFHS 7-1-1:

...Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand....

 

It's important to quote the next part too:

 

"An out for batting out of order supersedes an out made by the improper batter on the play."

 

This means you can't take the out on the improper batter AND the out on the proper batter (the one who should have been batting).  As Alex and others have said - In this case, once appealed, Barnes is out and Crane is back up to bat.  Atkins' out stands.

 

 

You're saying that you can't get 3 outs on this play: 2 for the double play (Atkins and Crane, "those outs stand!") and one for BOO ( Barnes, "the proper batter is out, too!").

 

I agree: Atkins's out "stands," but Barnes's out for BOO supersedes (replaces) Crane's out at 1B.

 

Still two outs on the play, but it's important to know who is out: in this play, for example, Crane is now up to bat with 2 outs and no runners. If we ruled him out, then Dolittle should be up.

 

 

Yes - it seems we are all agreeing with each other on the correct application in each rule set.  I just wanted to post the text from the rule that shows why we can't get an out on both the proper batter and the improper batter on the same play in Fed.

mstaylor

mstaylor

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Where you re going to get the argument is OBR or NCAA. The manager comes out thinking he has three and gets one. This is where you learn to manage explanations. I tend to explain my ruling, listen to his ranting, tell him I will double check with my partner on the ruling, then ask him if he wants to protest. No? Let's play ball, no more discussion. Most times I leave out talking to my partner unless he does protest.

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PGOLDEN88

PGOLDEN88

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This happened last season.

 

If the BOO was appealed during the AB, the proper batter would assume the count at the time of the appeal. If the next proper batter is pitched to, the BOO is legalized and can't be appealed.

ALStripes17

ALStripes17

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This happened last season.

If the BOO was appealed during the AB, the proper batter would assume the count at the time of the appeal. If the next proper batter is pitched to, the BOO is legalized and can't be appealed.

Nit-picking: The next pitch (or play or attempted play) can be to anyone. It does not have to be to a proper batter.

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