How Many Runs Score?

[MidAmUmp]

Here's another rules question to discuss...

 

Bases loaded, 1 out.

 

Batter hits a fly ball to deep centerfield which is caught. R3 tags and scores, R2 leaves too soon and advances to 3rd, R1 goes 1/2 way, then goes back to tag...

 

CF after catching the ball, throws the ball to 3rd to try to get R2. The ball gets away from the 3rd baseman and R2 scores. R1 reaches 2nd and starts to advance to 3rd. Defense gets R1 in a rundown and eventually throws the ball into the 3rd base dugout. R1 is awarded 3rd and home.

 

The pitcher gets a new baseball and the ball is put back into play. He steps off and throws to 2nd appealing R2 leaving too soon. R2 is called out.

 

How many runs score?

[Texas Manny]

Only one run, R3, shall score. No runners following a preceding runner who is called out on appeal for the 3rd out shall score.

[Jimurray]

Here's another rules question to discuss...

 

Bases loaded, 1 out.

 

Batter hits a fly ball to deep centerfield which is caught. R3 tags and scores, R2 leaves too soon and advances to 3rd, R1 goes 1/2 way, then goes back to tag...

 

CF after catching the ball, throws the ball to 3rd to try to get R2. The ball gets away from the 3rd baseman and R2 scores. R1 reaches 2nd and starts to advance to 3rd. Defense gets R1 in a rundown and eventually throws the ball into the 3rd base dugout. R1 is awarded 3rd and home.

 

The pitcher gets a new baseball and the ball is put back into play. He steps off and throws to 2nd appealing R2 leaving too soon. R2 is called out.

 

How many runs score?

 

One.

[grayhawk]

1

[BT_Blue]

Ditto. Just the one.

[Haid D' Salaami]

3...

[noumpere]

3...

???

 

as much as I hate to, I have to agree with manny's ruling and reasoning. 

[Texas Manny]

 

3...

???

 

as much as I hate to, I have to agree with manny's ruling and reasoning. 

 

[Jimurray]

3...

While the rule only mention appeal of a missed base, one of the approved rulings does not score a run on an appeal of a base left early:

"APPROVED RULING: One out, Jones on third, Smith on second. Batter Brown flies out to center. Two out. Jones scores after catch and Smith scores on bad throw to plate. But Jones, on appeal, is adjudged to have left third before the catch and is out. Three outs. No runs."

[baseballfan]

1 run

[JaxRolo]

Only one run, R3, shall score. No runners following a preceding runner who is called out on appeal for the 3rd out shall score.

This is the best answer you have ever given. Short and to the point. No lengthy citations or interps from different manuals. Good job!

[BRUMP]

1….for reasons mentioned above

[Rich Ives]

Ain't nobody ever read 7.12?

[Texas Manny]

Ain't nobody ever read 7.12?

I didn't want to quote any rules because of a request made by Jax, so I honored him, but that is the rule that governs this play.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

3...

???

 

as much as I hate to, I have to agree with manny's ruling and reasoning. 

 

I was kidding... this is a easy question, but i like them.. keeps my brain working.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

Ain't nobody ever read 7.12?

I didn't want to quote any rules because of a request made by Jax, so I honored him, but that is the rule that governs this play.

 

well its not fair to always copy and paste rules.. we need to know them... so when on the field it comes out just like I'm reading the book.

[Texas Manny]

 

 

Ain't nobody ever read 7.12?

I didn't want to quote any rules because of a request made by Jax, so I honored him, but that is the rule that governs this play.

 

well its not fair to always copy and paste rules.. we need to know them... so when on the field it comes out just like I'm reading the book.

 

I don't copy and paste for an answer. I copy and paste because if I show the R&I, folks will not say I'm goofy or my answer is goofy, or both; and it also helps the new guys and experienced to see that it something they may not have known. So, Jax asked me to not give the R&I until there was a chance for folks to answer, and so I humbly obliged his request.

[Scratch Franzeo]

One run

[Jimurray]

Interestingly, NCAA copies the criteria (5-6-c) from OBR 4.09 for when a run doesn't score which does not include a preceding runner being called out on appeal for not tagging up. OBR adds an approved ruling in the 4.09 comments and adds 7.12 to make it clear that the tagging up appeal also can preclude a run scoring. I can't find any reference that adds that criteria in NCAA but I'm calling it like the other codes.

[noumpere]

Interestingly, NCAA copies the criteria (5-6-c) from OBR 4.09 for when a run doesn't score which does not include a preceding runner being called out on appeal for not tagging up. OBR adds an approved ruling in the 4.09 comments and adds 7.12 to make it clear that the tagging up appeal also can preclude a run scoring. I can't find any reference that adds that criteria in NCAA but I'm calling it like the other codes.

8-6.b.9:

 

(9) If there are two outs before the appeal on a runner, the appeal becoming

the third out, no runners following the appealed out shall score,

[Jimurray]

 

Interestingly, NCAA copies the criteria (5-6-c) from OBR 4.09 for when a run doesn't score which does not include a preceding runner being called out on appeal for not tagging up. OBR adds an approved ruling in the 4.09 comments and adds 7.12 to make it clear that the tagging up appeal also can preclude a run scoring. I can't find any reference that adds that criteria in NCAA but I'm calling it like the other codes.

8-6.b.9:

 

(9) If there are two outs before the appeal on a runner, the appeal becoming

the third out, no runners following the appealed out shall score,

 

 

There it is. Thanks.

[MidAmUmp]

1 run scores.

 

Damn...can't stump anyone.  I'll have to come up with a better one.

[Jimurray]

1 run scores.

 

Damn...can't stump anyone.  I'll have to come up with a better one.

 

I'll postulate one. It's not third world but also highly improbable. Bases loaded, 1 out. BR hits base hit to the fence and R2 and R3 score while R1 and BR end up on 3B and 2B but BR missed 1B and R1 missed 2B. Defense appeals properly in all three codes, in the following order, BR at 1B, declared out, R1 at 2B declared out.

How many runs score. I'm not sure but we might have to specify the code when you answer.

[Texas Manny]

 

1 run scores.

 

Damn...can't stump anyone.  I'll have to come up with a better one.

 

I'll postulate one. It's not third world but also highly improbable. Bases loaded, 1 out. BR hits base hit to the fence and R2 and R3 score while R1 and BR end up on 3B and 2B but BR missed 1B and R1 missed 2B. Defense appeals properly in all three codes, in the following order, BR at 1B, declared out, R1 at 2B declared out.

How many runs score. I'm not sure but we might have to specify the code when you answer.

NO runs will score. Even though the first appeal was to the BR at 1st, and it was upheld, R1 was still forced to 2nd, and missed, so he is out on appeal of a force out. No runs can score when the 3rd out is either by BR at 1st or on a force out.

[noumpere]

 

 

 

I'll postulate one. It's not third world but also highly improbable. Bases loaded, 1 out. BR hits base hit to the fence and R2 and R3 score while R1 and BR end up on 3B and 2B but BR missed 1B and R1 missed 2B. Defense appeals properly in all three codes, in the following order, BR at 1B, declared out, R1 at 2B declared out.

How many runs score. I'm not sure but we might have to specify the code when you answer.

 

2runs score.  During a relaxed action appeal you need to appeal in the proper order.