What did the ump do wrong?

[Concernedcitizen2]

People in the comments are saying that the umpire was out of position and was too quick with the ejections, what are your thoughts?  Did he do the right thing? Go with the ball then wait to see if the play was coming to third or home and then came home essentially 1BLX. 

 

Was he too quick with the trigger?  Every level (through NCAA) I've played at, post-game ejections were considered acceptable, what do you guys think?

 

[Replacematt]

Should have gotten to 3BLX. Even though this is one-man, I think he had time to do that. The first EJ is automatic. The second shouldn't have happened, since he should have been getting away from participants on his way out and not walking in the area of the handshake line.

[Jocko]

I disagree. He appears to be walking out on the opposite side dugout than where the issue is. Both EJs were spot on. He obviously heard the ass coach talking sh*t. He earned his fine. I'm ok with both ejections.

Once he went back into the library, he should have gone to 3blx. Either way, I believe he got the call.

Obviously this team has control and attitude issues. I mean cmon. They play in a pasture.

[Jocko]

He should have punted the little jackass that came out and kicked dirt and spit too. He wasn't the baserunner. Should have been 3 ejections.

[noumpere]

People in the comments are saying that the umpire was out of position and was too quick with the ejections,

People in the comments are fans and that's what I'd expect them to say.

[grayhawk]

I agree with Jocko that he was walking off towards the 1B dugout (the winner's dugout) when the coach decided to get in some parting shots.  I didn't hear what he said, but it was likely ejection-worthy.  Coaches can't be in the mindset that the rules of sportsmanship don't apply just because the last out was made.

 

Also, 3BLX is definitely the best angle.  From 1BLX, he can't actually see the tag since the runner's body blocks him out.  Close call, but I have the hand on the plate prior to the tag.

[zm1283]

I think the second ejection is #3 who is standing at home plate and says something.  It looks like the first base coach is just walking across the field.  Unless the PU waited a long time to eject, I don't think it was the first base coach getting dumped.  The umpire also went pretty far back toward the plate for the second ejection, so I don't see why that would be necessary if it were the first base coaching getting run.

 

Personally, since this was the last out of the game, I don't think either ejection was necessary, UNLESS the retired runner said something that was personal and directed at the umpire.  If it were me, the flip of the helmet and his disagreement with the call wouldn't be noticed because i would be walking toward the first base dugout to leave.  The second ejection definitely wasn't necessary.  Why was he still that close to hear #3 say anything?  Just get your butt off the field.  

[BigUmpire]

 

One man at this level of ball.

When will it end.

When we have one umpire doing 2 fields at a time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

Baseball whores.

Just say no!

[umpstu]

Thought he was in a good position to make the call. What does it matter if it the last out of the game or first out of the game? You still can't act that way. He didn't appear to do anything wrong to me. 

[Minnz]

As soon as you call the third out, get off the field.  No reason to stay around and let people argue thus forcing post game ejections.Plus now he has paperwork to fill out. Get to you car change fast and go home.

[Boredcravens]

I think there is a 2nd umpire you can barely see his jacket and pants at about the 12 second mark. That being said he had plenty of time to get 3blx

[Boredcravens]

I think there is a 2nd umpire you can barely see his jacket and pants at about the 12 second mark. That being said he had plenty of time to get 3blx

[BigUmpire]

As soon as you call the third out, get off the field.  No reason to stay around and let people argue thus forcing post game ejections.Plus now he has paperwork to fill out. Get to you car change fast and go home.

You should be the first one off of the field.

[BRUMP]

@Matt this is not one man. You can just catch a glimpse of his partners pants around 0:11.

[BRUMP]

That being said it took him a little to long to read the no play at 3rd and get back to 3blx.

[th3]

I thought he was going up the line for fair/foul..i coundlt see where the ball went

[MidAmUmp]

I'm going to assume the runner thrown out at the plate started at 1st base, making this a 1st to 3rd rotation.

 

Based on that, here's what I've got...

1. Fair/foul.  The ball deserved a fair signal.
2. 1st to 3rd rotation.  He should have paused on the line for the fair/foul decision, then started up to 3rd in foul territory.
3. Realize much sooner there's not going to be a play at 3rd and start back to the plate, watching R1's touch of 3rd.
4. Get back to the point and decide how the play at the plate will develop (block vs. swipe).
5. Stay on the catcher's glove arm and work towards 3rd base line extended for a much better angle.
6. If the runner said something bad enough, I would give a post-game ejection, but it had better involve me having sex with my mother or something along those lines.  Otherwise, walk away.
7. After the ejection he "squared up" to that team's dugout.  I don't know if he's letting the head coach know someone has been ejected, but the body language there is really bad and he should have started walking away.
8. Where the hell was his partner???  #1-The game's over, find your partner and get off the field.  #2-He's just ejected someone, get your ass in there.
9. The assistant coach (I'm pretty sure that's who he got, because the coach is saying something as he's crossing the 3rd base line) had better have said something equally as bad as the runner for me to issue 2 post game ejections.  I'd definitely let it go...but we don't know what was said and/or what had transpired earlier in the game that might have required antennas to be up at that point.

My question would be what the hell is the head coach doing?  He's down there not even reacting.  You've just lost the game on a controversial play at the plate, you've had a player and assistant ejected and you're giving yourself a rectal exam.  No one was in charge of that team.

 

There's my 2 pennies.

[RichMSN]

People in the comments are saying that the umpire was out of position and was too quick with the ejections, what are your thoughts?  Did he do the right thing? Go with the ball then wait to see if the play was coming to third or home and then came home essentially 1BLX. 

 

Was he too quick with the trigger?  Every level (through NCAA) I've played at, post-game ejections were considered acceptable, what do you guys think?

 

 

Quick with the trigger?  No, under normal circumstances.  As in "the game's not over."

 

Under these circumstances, I'm making the call and getting out of Dodge.  Unless someone tells me to do something anatomically impossible.

 

I don't think there was a whole lot of good umpiring on this batted ball.  MAU elaborated quite well in the post above mine, so I won't bother.

[zm1283]

I'm going to assume the runner thrown out at the plate started at 1st base, making this a 1st to 3rd rotation.

 

Based on that, here's what I've got...

1. Fair/foul.  The ball deserved a fair signal.
2. 1st to 3rd rotation.  He should have paused on the line for the fair/foul decision, then started up to 3rd in foul territory.
3. Realize much sooner there's not going to be a play at 3rd and start back to the plate, watching R1's touch of 3rd.
4. Get back to the point and decide how the play at the plate will develop (block vs. swipe).
5. Stay on the catcher's glove arm and work towards 3rd base line extended for a much better angle.
6. If the runner said something bad enough, I would give a post-game ejection, but it had better involve me having sex with my mother or something along those lines.  Otherwise, walk away.
7. After the ejection he "squared up" to that team's dugout.  I don't know if he's letting the head coach know someone has been ejected, but the body language there is really bad and he should have started walking away.
8. Where the hell was his partner???  #1-The game's over, find your partner and get off the field.  #2-He's just ejected someone, get your ass in there.
9. The assistant coach (I'm pretty sure that's who he got, because the coach is saying something as he's crossing the 3rd base line) had better have said something equally as bad as the runner for me to issue 2 post game ejections.  I'd definitely let it go...but we don't know what was said and/or what had transpired earlier in the game that might have required antennas to be up at that point.

My question would be what the hell is the head coach doing?  He's down there not even reacting.  You've just lost the game on a controversial play at the plate, you've had a player and assistant ejected and you're giving yourself a rectal exam.  No one was in charge of that team.

 

There's my 2 pennies.

 

After watching it again, it was the 1B coach that got ejected at the end.  I think the umpire says something about "Coach, you're gone too" as he runs him.  I still don't think either would have happened if he had just headed for the exit as soon as the game was over.  Too much hanging around.

 

And yes, the head coach has his thumb in his butt the whole time....unless the head coach is coaching first base for some reason.  

[blue23ll]

I agree, once the game is over I am heading toward a gate. I am not turning around unless I hear a shot gun action being racked or something is being thrown at me. If they want to confront me they are going to have to run to me and get in front of me. There is nothing that happens after the game is over that I am remotely interested in. If there are ejections that need to be made during the final play of the game, I make them, and then update my notes in the parking lot. NO reason to stick around and monitor the hand shake line or anything else.

[bam]

That ball was fair by 20 feet.  Why does it need a 'fair' signal?  

[noumpere]

That ball was fair by 20 feet.  Why does it need a 'fair' signal?  

Because the limit is 21 feet.

[MidAmUmp]

That ball was fair by 20 feet.  Why does it need a 'fair' signal?  

Anytime the outfielder goes towards the line, it needs a signal.  

[dumbdumb]

 

 

One man at this level of ball.

When will it end.

When we have one umpire doing 2 fields at a time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

Baseball whores.

Just say no!

 

More $$$$$$$ for the TD. If only umpire money was in it for the TD, he would not be a TD.

[bam]

 

That ball was fair by 20 feet.  Why does it need a 'fair' signal?  

Anytime the outfielder goes towards the line, it needs a signal.  

 

Does that include F8?