CWS Game Last Night

[dl1340]

Watching the CWS game last night between UNC/NC State. Close play at home, R3 slides around the tag, incredible play by R3 and great throw from the F9. Umpire made the correct call, catcher threw his mask after call was made, Rodon took his glove off and threw it down in front of umpire. NC State coach comes running out gets in front of his pitcher and umpire , ball is still live. I didn't hear umpire call time. They went back and played audio a couple innings later, he warned pitcher that he was about to get ejected and the coach, if the coach keep following him. I thought one of the three should have been gone out of the game. I know it's a big game, big stage, Thoughts

 

[maven]

I thought one of the three should have been gone out of the game. I know it's a big game, big stage, Thoughts

 

My thought is: that's an umpire working very hard to keep participants in the game, perhaps on instructions from supervisors.

 

Those guys are awesome game managers and do hours of eval after each CWS game. Nothing happens by accident.

[grayhawk]

 

I thought one of the three should have been gone out of the game. I know it's a big game, big stage, Thoughts

 

My thought is: that's an umpire working very hard to keep participants in the game, perhaps on instructions from supervisors.

 

Those guys are awesome game managers and do hours of eval after each CWS game. Nothing happens by accident.

 

 

I saw this play live and came to the same conclusion.  In an MLB game, F2 would have been tossed for sure. They must have a different philosophy in the CWS.  

 

The call by PU was outstanding.  Ball beat the runner, but the runner made a great slide to just barely get his hand on the plate before the tag was made.

[Umpire in Chief]

Here's the video:

 

http://www.ncaa.com/video/baseball/2013-06-20/cws-tar-heels-shut-out-wolfpack

[RichMSN]

 

I thought one of the three should have been gone out of the game. I know it's a big game, big stage, Thoughts

 

My thought is: that's an umpire working very hard to keep participants in the game, perhaps on instructions from supervisors.

 

Those guys are awesome game managers and do hours of eval after each CWS game. Nothing happens by accident.

 

 

Maybe so, but I think there is a thing as bending over backwards too far -- and the spike of the mask, IMO, crossed that line.  Some things just shouldn't be ignored.

 

I can say that as someone who never has to worry about working the D1 CWS, too.

[Mike Prince]

Joe Burleson also had the plate in the first UNC-NCSU game on Father's Day.  NCSU's F3 had just got rung up on an appealed 3rd strike for the third out and spiked his helmet as he walked away from the plate.  Burleson (also miked in this game) let him know not to do that, it was an ejectable offense.

 

Not sure the same approach makes sense here.  I thought he gave too much rope on the spiked helmet, the mask was way worse as was the spiked glove in direct response to a call (an excellent call, by the way!) that he had just made.

[RichMSN]

 

[GoodOldGus]

I'm surprised they let both "spikes" go without at least one ejection.  The catcher spikes his mask out of obvious frustration, but he does slightly remove himself from directly confronting the umpire.  The pitcher, on the other hand, slams his glove while staring at and stepping towards the umpire.  I'd be very hard pressed not to eject the pitcher since his reaction was more specifically directed towards me as the umpire opposed to general reaction of the catcher. 

 

Great, great call by the umpire.   

[Haid D' Salaami]

MLB players in the the World Series might not get tossed.. so the same for the CWS... In a regular season game would he have been gone, Probably. I thought Burleson ( who might be one of the best in the Country ) .. did a good job of game Management.

[maven]

Maybe so, but I think there is a thing as bending over backwards too far -- and the spike of the mask, IMO, crossed that line.  Some things just shouldn't be ignored.

 

I can say that as someone who never has to worry about working the D1 CWS, too.

I agree: you'll never work the D1 CWS.

 

No, no, that's not it: I agree that this behavior needs addressing. I'm saying only that D1 supervisors have swung the pendulum toward keeping folks in the game (at least in the CWS), and that what happened in that game was not 1 guy's poor game management. He's doing what they wanted him to do.

 

Perhaps those supervisors will reconsider, and the pendulum will swing back.

[BigUmpire]

How many 12 year olds will spike their equipment after seeing this?

How many young umpires wont eject after seeing this?

[johnnyg08]

How many 12 year olds will spike their euipment after seeing this?

How many young umpires wont eject after seeing this?

Many, Many.

[Specks]

I saw it live also and on the audio replay when the manager first came running out it sounded like he was saying "no no no no" and got between the PU and his players to try to prevent the EJ's. 

[dl1340]

I was texting a few of my umpire buddies last night, to get thoughts. We all thought someone should have been ejected, Pitcher would have been my vote. As stated above, Joe Burleson did a wonderful job behind the dish last night. I also agree with above post, that more kids will try this now that it was allowed on national stage

[RichMSN]

I just want to know how I can go work my Podunk U game next year and run a pitcher/catcher who does the same thing without me looking like a hypocrite.  I mean, I saw it on TV, it must have been acceptable if both players were allowed to continue.  I know that's what Podunk U's skipper is going to tell me.

 

I get the reality.  I'm just disappointed that's the way it is.

[SoCal Lurker]

I just want to know how I can go work my Podunk U game next year and run a pitcher/catcher who does the same thing without me looking like a hypocrite.  I mean, I saw it on TV, it must have been acceptable if both players were allowed to continue.  I know that's what Podunk U's skipper is going to tell me.

 

I get the reality.  I'm just disappointed that's the way it is.

 

It's only the reality because the powers that be let it become the reality.  If, instead of sending messages to umpires about keeping players in the game, sent messages to coaches that the CWS is the pinnacle of college baseball and the key to establishing the image of the game such that umpires have been told not to tolerate inappropriate shows of anger towards calls that will negatively reflect on the image of the NCAA while it is in the limelight, I suspect we would have very different behavior.

 

At the risk of dragging soccer into this, Landon Donovan (he's a famous American soccer player, we'l leave it at that) was famoulsy asked why MLS players misbehaved the way they do.  His answer was basically "the refs let us."  Players/coaches have a tendency to have their behavior huddle just below the bar for consequences -- regardless of where the bar is set. 

[BigUmpire]

 

I just want to know how I can go work my Podunk U game next year and run a pitcher/catcher who does the same thing without me looking like a hypocrite.  I mean, I saw it on TV, it must have been acceptable if both players were allowed to continue.  I know that's what Podunk U's skipper is going to tell me.

 

I get the reality.  I'm just disappointed that's the way it is.

 

It's only the reality because the powers that be let it become the reality.  If, instead of sending messages to umpires about keeping players in the game, sent messages to coaches that the CWS is the pinnacle of college baseball and the key to establishing the image of the game such that umpires have been told not to tolerate inappropriate shows of anger towards calls that will negatively reflect on the image of the NCAA while it is in the limelight, I suspect we would have very different behavior.

 

At the risk of dragging soccer into this, Landon Donovan (he's a famous American soccer player, we'l leave it at that) was famoulsy asked why MLS players misbehaved the way they do.  His answer was basically "the refs let us."  Players/coaches have a tendency to have their behavior huddle just below the bar for consequences -- regardless of where the bar is set. 

 

• “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten upâ€- Bigumpire

[umpstu]

 

 

I just want to know how I can go work my Podunk U game next year and run a pitcher/catcher who does the same thing without me looking like a hypocrite.  I mean, I saw it on TV, it must have been acceptable if both players were allowed to continue.  I know that's what Podunk U's skipper is going to tell me.

 

I get the reality.  I'm just disappointed that's the way it is.

 

It's only the reality because the powers that be let it become the reality.  If, instead of sending messages to umpires about keeping players in the game, sent messages to coaches that the CWS is the pinnacle of college baseball and the key to establishing the image of the game such that umpires have been told not to tolerate inappropriate shows of anger towards calls that will negatively reflect on the image of the NCAA while it is in the limelight, I suspect we would have very different behavior.

 

At the risk of dragging soccer into this, Landon Donovan (he's a famous American soccer player, we'l leave it at that) was famoulsy asked why MLS players misbehaved the way they do.  His answer was basically "the refs let us."  Players/coaches have a tendency to have their behavior huddle just below the bar for consequences -- regardless of where the bar is set. 

 

• “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten upâ€- Bigumpire

 

Stop man, you're killing my ribs.

[dumbdumb]

 

I just want to know how I can go work my Podunk U game next year and run a pitcher/catcher who does the same thing without me looking like a hypocrite.  I mean, I saw it on TV, it must have been acceptable if both players were allowed to continue.  I know that's what Podunk U's skipper is going to tell me.

 

I get the reality.  I'm just disappointed that's the way it is.

 

It's only the reality because the powers that be let it become the reality.  If, instead of sending messages to umpires about keeping players in the game, sent messages to coaches that the CWS is the pinnacle of college baseball and the key to establishing the image of the game such that umpires have been told not to tolerate inappropriate shows of anger towards calls that will negatively reflect on the image of the NCAA while it is in the limelight, I suspect we would have very different behavior.

 

At the risk of dragging soccer into this, Landon Donovan (he's a famous American soccer player, we'l leave it at that) was famoulsy asked why MLS players misbehaved the way they do.  His answer was basically "the refs let us."  Players/coaches have a tendency to have their behavior huddle just below the bar for consequences -- regardless of where the bar is set. 

 

Absolutely, but you write and communicate much better than I.

 

Show class, not your ass, and this holds true for "any level of play" when the playoffs are concerned. If you do the crime, you pay the time.

[mstaylor]

I really, really, really hate the keep them in the game because it is the CWS. Because it is on the national stage the bar should be lower if anything. They should be teaching that it is a quality product and idiots may not stay. Instead they are saying just the opposite. Both should have gone.

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[BigUmpire]

You just wonder what MAY have happened in THIS game if the batter that slammed his helmet down in one of the earlier games had been tossed.   “Sins of our fathers"

• "Eject early to eject less"-Jeapugrad

 

• "My last coach ejection was several years ago but I don't have to because they know I will"-mstaylor

[treydawgmt]

Eject early eject less is a GREAT mantra.  But it doesn't always work with some thick headed coaches.

 

A travel tourney I did a few weekends ago.  At the time i didn't know this, but coach gets EJed in the 1st day of the tourney.  3rd day of tourney I EJ him.  Next game my partner EJ's an assistant coach.

 

They didn't get the clue that we WILL EJ!

 

Oh, and we are ALL horrible umpires.  Has NOTHING to do with the coaches poor attitudes at an 11U tourney.

[SoCal Lurker]

Eject early eject less is a GREAT mantra.  But it doesn't always work with some thick headed coaches.

 

A travel tourney I did a few weekends ago.  At the time i didn't know this, but coach gets EJed in the 1st day of the tourney.  3rd day of tourney I EJ him.  Next game my partner EJ's an assistant coach.

 

They didn't get the clue that we WILL EJ!

 

Oh, and we are ALL horrible umpires.  Has NOTHING to do with the coaches poor attitudes at an 11U tourney.

Prob'ly cuz you din't know the rules!  You didn't know interference requires contact.  You didn't know that a runner can't run on a foul tip.  And you didn'teven fricken know the hands are part of the bat!!!

[mstaylor]

Eject early eject less is a GREAT mantra.  But it doesn't always work with some thick headed coaches.

 

A travel tourney I did a few weekends ago.  At the time i didn't know this, but coach gets EJed in the 1st day of the tourney.  3rd day of tourney I EJ him.  Next game my partner EJ's an assistant coach.

 

They didn't get the clue that we WILL EJ!

 

Oh, and we are ALL horrible umpires.  Has NOTHING to do with the coaches poor attitudes at an 11U tourney.

If they don't get it, keep tossing them, even the thickest headed coach will figure it out eventually. OK, so Ozzie never did but you get my meaning.