Umpire giving wrong count.

[Guest Drew]

Ok here is the scenario. Runners on 1 and 2. Count is 2-2 next pitch is thrown and its a ball. Home plate umpire awards the batter 1st. Pitcher turns around to base umpire and tells him that the count should have been 3-2. Base umpire tells home plate umpire and the guy on 1st is called back. Umpire let the other two runners stay on second and third because it counts as a stolen base. Is this true? Thanks!

[maven]

No. The umpire's error put the defense at a disadvantage. Fix it.

[BigUmpire]

This is one of the reasons I tell my young guys "Don't point to first base on ball 4 OR a hit batter"

Just one.

[BigUmpire]

Ok here is the scenario. Runners on 1 and 2. Count is 2-2 next pitch is thrown and its a ball. Home plate umpire awards the batter 1st. Pitcher turns around to base umpire and tells him that the count should have been 3-2. Base umpire tells home plate umpire and the guy on 1st is called back. Umpire let the other two runners stay on second and third because it counts as a stolen base. Is this true? Thanks!

"Home plate umpire awards the batter 1st" How did he do this? Mechanics please.

[Guest Drew]

Said ball 4 and pointed to first

[BigUmpire]

Said ball 4 and pointed to first

KA-KA!

[johnnyg08]

As if he doesn't know where to run.  Yeah, the point to first is a bad mechanic.  

[zoops]

How about if you tell the batter and signal that it's 3-0, when it's really 3-1, so he takes a fastball down the middle.  You realize your error, is it now 3-2 or 3-1?  Is there any recourse for the umpire's error?

[noumpere]

How about if you tell the batter and signal that it's 3-0, when it's really 3-1, so he takes a fastball down the middle.  You realize your error, is it now 3-2 or 3-1?  Is there any recourse for the umpire's error?

Not once a pitch is thrown then no theres no recourse.

[BigUmpire]

What age group is this?

[Guest Guest]

Adult league. Ages 18-30ish. I just want to know if the runners get to stay on 2nd and 3rd over the umpires mistake.

[BigUmpire]

Adult league. Ages 18-30ish. I just want to know if the runners get to stay on 2nd and 3rd over the umpires mistake.

WHAT! they should know the count!

Umpire discretion on HIS mistake IMO

[mstaylor]

No, if he walked the BR and it forced two ahead, they didn't steal anything, the defense weren't afforded a chance to retire them. Put them back. 

[BigUmpire]

No, if he walked the BR and it forced two ahead, they didn't steal anything, the defense weren't afforded a chance to retire them. Put them back. 

Yep.

[dmills]

Similar scenario..

 

Count is 1-2.. I incorrectly state the count is 2-2. Next pitch is a ball. I give the count as 3-2. Pitcher's says count should be 2-2. I ask BU for count and he has 2-2. So I correct my count of 3-2 and state the count is 2-2. (I mistakenly added a ball to the count after a foul pop up towards the 1BL fence) Apparently I wasn't assertive/loud enough because half the players still thought the count was 3-2. Next pitch is a ball and the batter starts for first. I tell him that was only 3 balls. R1 and R2 are trotting to 2nd and 3rd respectively. Pitcher has the ball and just watches them. Then all hell breaks loose. Defense wants runners returned because I screwed up. Offense wants runners to stay because they stole the bases effectively. I briefly get together with my partner and come to the conclusion that we corrected the incorrect count, the pitcher at least knew the count was corrected (as for the rest of the players, who knows) and we left the runners where they were. Now according to noumpere, once the next pitch was thrown after the incorrect count of 2-2 was giving I should have stuck with the 3-2 count and continued on.. Thoughts? This was also a men's league game.

[NFUA_44]

Similar scenario..

 

Count is 1-2.. I incorrectly state the count is 2-2. Next pitch is a ball. I give the count as 3-2. Pitcher's says count should be 2-2. I ask BU for count and he has 2-2. So I correct my count of 3-2 and state the count is 2-2. (I mistakenly added a ball to the count after a foul pop up towards the 1BL fence) Apparently I wasn't assertive/loud enough because half the players still thought the count was 3-2. Next pitch is a ball and the batter starts for first. I tell him that was only 3 balls. R1 and R2 are trotting to 2nd and 3rd respectively. Pitcher has the ball and just watches them. Then all hell breaks loose. Defense wants runners returned because I screwed up. Offense wants runners to stay because they stole the bases effectively. I briefly get together with my partner and come to the conclusion that we corrected the incorrect count, the pitcher at least knew the count was corrected (as for the rest of the players, who knows) and we left the runners where they were. Now according to noumpere, once the next pitch was thrown after the incorrect count of 2-2 was giving I should have stuck with the 3-2 count and continued on.. Thoughts? This was also a men's league game.

You fixed it end of story. If they still screwed it up it is on them.  Especially the pitcher that prompted you to the error to begin with!  Announce the count loud and clear if they still boot it, their fault.

[mstaylor]

 

Similar scenario..

 

Count is 1-2.. I incorrectly state the count is 2-2. Next pitch is a ball. I give the count as 3-2. Pitcher's says count should be 2-2. I ask BU for count and he has 2-2. So I correct my count of 3-2 and state the count is 2-2. (I mistakenly added a ball to the count after a foul pop up towards the 1BL fence) Apparently I wasn't assertive/loud enough because half the players still thought the count was 3-2. Next pitch is a ball and the batter starts for first. I tell him that was only 3 balls. R1 and R2 are trotting to 2nd and 3rd respectively. Pitcher has the ball and just watches them. Then all hell breaks loose. Defense wants runners returned because I screwed up. Offense wants runners to stay because they stole the bases effectively. I briefly get together with my partner and come to the conclusion that we corrected the incorrect count, the pitcher at least knew the count was corrected (as for the rest of the players, who knows) and we left the runners where they were. Now according to noumpere, once the next pitch was thrown after the incorrect count of 2-2 was giving I should have stuck with the 3-2 count and continued on.. Thoughts? This was also a men's league game.

You fixed it end of story. If they still screwed it up it is on them.  Especially the pitcher that prompted you to the error to begin with!  Announce the count loud and clear if they still boot it, their fault.

 

Agreed, you messed up, pitcher asked, you corrected it, pitcher watches them trot to the next base, makes him a dummy. Runners advance on an E1. 

[Jocko]

As if he doesn't know where to run. Yeah, the point to first is a bad mechanic.

our brother Mr. J head had the stick for the SEC tourney championship game. There were several HBP. On each one, he indicated the area hit by tapping his body and pointing to 1B with his left hand. Just sayin...

Also, he was wearing B/W zig plates

[mstaylor]

 

As if he doesn't know where to run. Yeah, the point to first is a bad mechanic.

our brother Mr. J head had the stick for the SEC tourney championship game. There were several HBP. On each one, he indicated the area hit by tapping his body and pointing to 1B with his left hand. Just sayin...

Also, he was wearing B/W zig plates

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I was with right up to the B/W Zigs. 

[Thunderheads]

 

As if he doesn't know where to run. Yeah, the point to first is a bad mechanic.

our brother Mr. J head had the stick for the SEC tourney championship game. There were several HBP. On each one, he indicated the area hit by tapping his body and pointing to 1B with his left hand. Just sayin...

Also, he was wearing B/W zig plates

IMG_0987.jpg

 

Who's Mr. J head?