Favorite color?

[Thunderheads]

Some folks just don't dig red..... It tends to be a love it or hate it color. As for the flag, well it's illegal in the US

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag

Section 8

(D) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(J) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Flag etiquette, obscure stuff most people didn't even know existed......

The two points noted above are referencing the use of a FLAG ...... not a shirt or otherwise that "looks" like a flag.

[JaxRolo]

Some folks just don't dig red..... It tends to be a love it or hate it color. As for the flag, well it's illegal in the US

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag

Section 8

(D) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(J) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Flag etiquette, obscure stuff most people didn't even know existed......

This has been brought up on here many times before.

The way I take Section 8 to read is a real flag should not be worn. A Shirt is not a flag! Its a Shirt! Having stars and stripes does not make it a flag.

Its not like we are taking a flag and cutting it apart.

(J) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. Again we are not taking part of a "flag" for this. Its a shirt.

[JaxRolo]

Some folks just don't dig red..... It tends to be a love it or hate it color. As for the flag, well it's illegal in the US

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag

Section 8

(D) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(J) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Flag etiquette, obscure stuff most people didn't even know existed......

The two points noted above are referencing the use of a FLAG ...... not a shirt or otherwise that "looks" like a flag.

You beat me to it!

[renegadewolf]

I think we will have to agree to disagree, The design is what makes the flag, not the material or thing it is placed/printed/woven upon. Using that design as clothing is just inappropriate. I suppose this is a "check swing" of flag etiquette, a judgement call if you will.

[JaxRolo]

I think we will have to agree to disagree, The design is what makes the flag, not the material or thing it is placed/printed/woven upon. Using that design as clothing is just inappropriate. I suppose this is a "check swing" of flag etiquette, a judgement call if you will.

I can see your point on this. This is one of those things that people will have different opinions.

In my opinion it is NOT the design that makes a Flag. You either make a flag or you make a shirt.

When I wear mine I get complements and the kids love it.

I am a retired Chief Petty Officer in the Navy 26 years and I know a thing or 2 about flags.

I am fine with people that choose not to wear one. But that is their choice. To say is inappropriate is not correct it is just an opinion. Maybe I think not wearing a shirt that resembles a flag is not American.

[Welpe]

Violation of the flag code or not (I personally think it is), I think it looks incredibly tacky. JMO, YMMV, LS/MFT.

[Thunderheads]

if flag ettiquette included any facsimilie of, ....then I would think it would say so, correct?

caveat: I do not own a flag shirt ...........

[JHSump]

I looked around for some authoritative discussion online. Not sure if this one qualifies, but here it is. I think opinions may differ, but this pages says the Flag Code explicitly says any *representation* of the flag is also a flag. So, you don't need to wear an *actual* flag to be wearing the flag. The flag code is at http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

All of the following text is from

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes

. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Source:

Flag Code, Section 3

Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

• The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  
• It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  
• [it should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  
• The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  
• No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)
  

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

[Jocko]

Jax, is this the aforementioned Cuban flag shirt?

[JaxRolo]

Jax, is this the aforementioned Cuban flag shirt?

What does that word mean? To many letters! :shakehead:

[tcasterlin]

I umpire in Missouri and MSHSAA still has navy pullover and the light blue button down as the approved shirts. There is a lot more flexibility during the summer season. My favorite colors are Black (spring), collegiate light blue with black trim, white (for summer games, I think it looks great with the charcoal pants), grey, cream, red and navy.

[Jocko]

Jax, is this the aforementioned Cuban flag shirt?

What does that word mean? To many letters!

it means I've been reading in the bathroom again

[Stan W.]

I umpire in Missouri and MSHSAA still has navy pullover and the light blue button down as the approved shirts. There is a lot more flexibility during the summer season. My favorite colors are Black (spring), collegiate light blue with black trim, white (for summer games, I think it looks great with the charcoal pants), grey, cream, red and navy.

I umpire in Pennsylvania and PIAA still has navy pullover and the light blue pullover as the ONLY approved shirts. There is a lot more flexibility during the summer season. My favorite colors are Black, collegiate light blue with black trim, grey, cream, ...and once summer hits, My Navy is rarely used unless thats all my partner has................

Never red.....

Never Flag shirt.............flag patch yes..........shirt no.....

and none of the odd colors either..........maroon, texas orange, sage green..........

[Thunderheads]

I looked around for some authoritative discussion online. Not sure if this one qualifies, but here it is. I think opinions may differ, but this pages says the Flag Code explicitly says any *representation* of the flag is also a flag. So, you don't need to wear an *actual* flag to be wearing the flag. The flag code is at http://www.ushistory...sy/flagcode.htm

All of the following text is from

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes

. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Source:

Flag Code, Section 3

Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

• The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  
• It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  
• [it should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  
• The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  
• No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)
  

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

well then, ..>THERE you go!! :)

[JaxRolo]

I looked around for some authoritative discussion online. Not sure if this one qualifies, but here it is. I think opinions may differ, but this pages says the Flag Code explicitly says any *representation* of the flag is also a flag. So, you don't need to wear an *actual* flag to be wearing the flag. The flag code is at http://www.ushistory...sy/flagcode.htm

All of the following text is from

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes

. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Source:

Flag Code, Section 3

Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

• The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  
• It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  
• [it should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  
• The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  
• No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)
  

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

well then, ..>THERE you go!!

It says a flag on a tshirt not a tshirt flag

[BRUMP]

My association just changed to now requiring powder blue all the time. (don't ask). However I wouldn't have a problem wearing an American flag shirt. I believe those who do are taking it too literally. All it's meant to be is a tribute to troops past and present and I would imagine that everyone at the field would enjoy it and not worry about technicalities on the flag code. My two cents.

[Thunderheads]

MHSAA still have Navy and Powder (navy and white trim) as standard! Oh well ......

Odd colors are good for tournaments, ...especially marathons where you're doing 4 or 5 in a day.........

[Jocko]

My association just changed to now requiring powder blue all the time. (don't ask). However I wouldn't have a problem wearing an American flag shirt. I believe those who do are taking it too literally. All it's meant to be is a tribute to troops past and present and I would imagine that everyone at the field would enjoy it and not worry about technicalities on the flag code. My two cents.

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

FIXED IT FOR YOU ROLANDO

[JaxRolo]

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personnal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

Thanks!

ps. - Is that a new spelling of the word? I just asking. Being Cuban-Puerto Rican is very confusing. :fuel:

[BRUMP]

My association just changed to now requiring powder blue all the time. (don't ask). However I wouldn't have a problem wearing an American flag shirt. I believe those who do are taking it too literally. All it's meant to be is a tribute to troops past and present and I would imagine that everyone at the field would enjoy it and not worry about technicalities on the flag code. My two cents.

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

FIXED IT FOR YOU ROLANDO

Trout I mean no disrespect and apologize if that's how it appeared. My point was and I might have been unclear that even if it is not following the flag code no one is doing it for any other reason than to honor people like you and Jax who have served.

[BRUMP]

My association just changed to now requiring powder blue all the time. (don't ask). However I wouldn't have a problem wearing an American flag shirt. I believe those who do are taking it too literally. All it's meant to be is a tribute to troops past and present and I would imagine that everyone at the field would enjoy it and not worry about technicalities on the flag code. My two cents.

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

FIXED IT FOR YOU ROLANDO

Trout I mean no disrespect and apologize if that's how it appeared. My point was and I might have been unclear that even if it is not following the flag code no one is doing it for any other reason than to honor people like you and Jax who have served.

[Jocko]

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personnal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

Thanks!

ps. - Is that a new spelling of the word? I just asking. Being Cuban-Puerto Rican is very confusing.

Rolo, you need to add 8 or 10 more lines to your signature. It's hard to tell which posts are yours.

[Jocko]

YNJB, I'm not offended at all. I can appreciate the sentiment, and it doesn't bother me to see others wearing these things. I personally choose not to. I would rather give a warrior "Semper Fi" than display the flag this way. It's heartfelt and returned. Instant comeraderie between brothers.

[KLAH316]

^{Wow! I didn't mean to stir up such a debate about etiquite regarding the US Flag.... I in no way mean any disrespect by wearing that shirt 2-3 times a year.....}

^{I will only wear mine on those holiday weekends where our Veterans are honored.}

[bam]

My association just changed to now requiring powder blue all the time. (don't ask). However I wouldn't have a problem wearing an American flag shirt. I believe those who do are taking it too literally. All it's meant to be is a tribute to troops past and present and I would imagine that everyone at the field would enjoy it and not worry about technicalities on the flag code. My two cents.

Too literally? My comrades in arms have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy. The flag is a living thing. The blood of my brothers paints the stripes red. I honor their memory during every National Anthem. We are able to choose how to show respect because of their sacrifice. My way is to treat Old Glory with reverence, not adorn myself with it. I don't think it CAN be "too literally."

FWIW - these are my personal convictions. I don't judge others by them or expect others to meet them.

FIXED IT FOR YOU ROLANDO

You and your comrades in arms (thank you for your service) fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy, even if those freedoms offend the sensibilities of others.