Would you ignore the missed base?

[Dannytheman]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

What is missing here is the fact that Johnny does not take his test in front of 18 kids, X amount of coaches, his parents and fans during a GAME. It is not a math test, it is a game.

Can you see the difference?? To many people feel that it is a life experience when it is ONLY a game. Math is not a game, it is an absolute. 1.01 Baseball is a game between 2 teams of 9 players each. It is right in the rules.

Like Trout, I made a decision years ago, that I stand behind today. I am not defending my position, I put it out there because to many people play for the rules, and forget it is a GAME.

[BRUMP]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

Troy at any serious level of baseball I concur with you 100%. But in a meaningless 9 yr old fall rec game with the score being ridiculously out of hand I can't see anything wrong with doing what I did. Maybe that makes me a bad umpire, but that's just my humble opinion.

[UmpTTS43]

Guys, I get it. Who knows, maybe given a certain state of mind in a particular game I may rule the same. As I said before, it is my opinion that holding players responsible for their actions is better than giving them something they didn't earn, in the long run.

I don't need some to quote the rules to know what the GAME is about. This particular game has a specific set of rules. If you want to start quoting rules, I can give you the one where it defines a legally scored run and the ones concerning appeals.

[johnnyg08]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

What is missing here is the fact that Johnny does not take his test in front of 18 kids, X amount of coaches, his parents and fans during a GAME. It is not a math test, it is a game.

Can you see the difference?? To many people feel that it is a life experience when it is ONLY a game. Math is not a game, it is an absolute. 1.01 Baseball is a game between 2 teams of 9 players each. It is right in the rules.

Like Trout, I made a decision years ago, that I stand behind today. I am not defending my position, I put it out there because to many people play for the rules, and forget it is a GAME.

Why have umpires then? Yes, it's a game, but where is all of the drama against umpires. Youth sports.

[Jocko]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

What is missing here is the fact that Johnny does not take his test in front of 18 kids, X amount of coaches, his parents and fans during a GAME. It is not a math test, it is a game.

Can you see the difference?? To many people feel that it is a life experience when it is ONLY a game. Math is not a game, it is an absolute. 1.01 Baseball is a game between 2 teams of 9 players each. It is right in the rules.

Like Trout, I made a decision years ago, that I stand behind today. I am not defending my position, I put it out there because to many people play for the rules, and forget it is a GAME.

Why have umpires then? Yes, it's a game, but where is all of the drama against umpires. Youth sports.

and MLB in October

[Mr Umpire]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

Troy at any serious level of baseball I concur with you 100%. But in a meaningless 9 yr old fall rec game with the score being ridiculously out of hand I can't see anything wrong with doing what I did. Maybe that makes me a bad umpire, but that's just my humble opinion.

Meanlingless to whom? Just b/c you don't care about it doesn't mean someone doesn't.

[BRUMP]

In the original OP it was about an actual competitive game. It then turned into some contrived hypothetical blowout that is impossible. In either case it is your resposibility to do your job. I appreciate your view but I disagree. Deem me a hard ass if you like, but I would counter that my actions are more in line with building one's character and making one responsible for their actions.

Let's ponder another outlandish senario.

Little Johnny wasn't the best student in school and in fact never got an A, let alone a 100%, on any of his tests. This day however, Johnny seemed to know all of the material and blew through the test with ease. The next day, Ms. Shumaker his teacher, brought little Johnny over to her desk to commend him on his effort. "Johnny, I'm so impressed. You only missed one question out of the 50. You should be very proud of yourself. This 98 is the best you've ever done."

"A 98?" Johnny asked curiously while having a heavy heart. "I was positive that I got them all right."

"Well," replied Ms. Shumaker, "the questions you did answer you got right, but you put no answer for question #32."

"Ah, gee Ms. Shumaker, I think I just missed that question and skipped over it."

"You mean you just skipped over and didn't mean to?" questioned Ms. Shumaker. Johnny nodded knowing that he messed up. "Oh, in that case, you get a 100."

If you feel that you have a duty to help mold kids while umpiring, mold them to be better men and women for being accountable for their mistakes. Effort can be recognized but the results are what matters.

Troy at any serious level of baseball I concur with you 100%. But in a meaningless 9 yr old fall rec game with the score being ridiculously out of hand I can't see anything wrong with doing what I did. Maybe that makes me a bad umpire, but that's just my humble opinion.

Meanlingless to whom? Just b/c you don't care about it doesn't mean someone doesn't.

I never said I didn't care about it. When I said meaningless I said that with one team having an insurmountable lead allowing one extra runner to be put on base is in the grand scheme of things meaningless.

[Dannytheman]

OK, as is usually the case in every forum we have a difference of opinion and philosophy of the game. I understand everyones position that the kid should be called out for missing the base as I see it and am responsible fo making the correct call per the rules of the game.

In that case, I accept responsibility and now state for the record that I was 100% sure, that in my judgement he tug the base. If I saw him miss it, I am obligated to call him out, even after the cheering and hugs at the plate. If the asshole HC of the defensive team makes a fair and honest appeal of the base I will call it as I see it.

In this case, I was overwhelmed that a 6 year kid in the league who has been a 6 year 12th man, hits a dinger to left. The tears in my eyes may have distracting me from diligently carrying out my duties as assigned. So when the appeal came I could not honestly, in my judgement, make the call as my vision was blocked due to my poor positioning and I had something in my eye.

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[guitarplaya2007]

I'm with BRUmp here, you don't ignore the missed base if you see it, EVER even if it's a kid who just hit his first long ball, because we are out there as arbiters, we arbitrarily enforce the rules of the game without predjudice. Now there's a thing called grabbing the s****y end of the stick and make sure your not doing that either. I guess what I'm saying here if it's close, give the kid the benefit of the doubt, now if he misses the base and you can see a foot of daylight between his foot and the bag, i have a genuine problem with sleeping at night if i don't call that, because where does it end from there? Take that for what you will, then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

[scrounge]

Hmm....kind of a broad assumption - and a wee bit of condescension - about what level of ball people here do, isn't it?

But I agree...if you see him miss the base, you call him out. But whaddayaknow, I didn't see it. I'll sleep perfectly fine.

I'm with BRUmp here, you don't ignore the missed base if you see it, EVER even if it's a kid who just hit his first long ball, because we are out there as arbiters, we arbitrarily enforce the rules of the game without predjudice. Now there's a thing called grabbing the s****y end of the stick and make sure your not doing that either. I guess what I'm saying here if it's close, give the kid the benefit of the doubt, now if he misses the base and you can see a foot of daylight between his foot and the bag, i have a genuine problem with sleeping at night if i don't call that, because where does it end from there? Take that for what you will, then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

[Jocko]

I'm with BRUmp here, you don't ignore the missed base if you see it, EVER even if it's a kid who just hit his first long ball, because we are out there as arbiters, we arbitrarily enforce the rules of the game without predjudice. Now there's a thing called grabbing the s****y end of the stick and make sure your not doing that either. I guess what I'm saying here if it's close, give the kid the benefit of the doubt, now if he misses the base and you can see a foot of daylight between his foot and the bag, i have a genuine problem with sleeping at night if i don't call that, because where does it end from there? Take that for what you will, then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

a smidge Holier-Than-Thou, are we? While I don't call NCAA ball, I am confident in my abilities enough that I wouldn't hesitate to step onto the diamond in Omaha with any crew. My profession doesn't allow me the liberty to take off on Tuesday (for example). Doesn't make you a better umpire than I am. I hope I misunderstood the assholishness sounding tone of your post, and you're not really as big a dick as you came off.

[noumpere]

then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

What level is that?

[JaxRolo]

then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

What level is that?

T-Ball

[Jocko]

then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

What level is that?

T-Ball

the he DOES work the same level as you!

[JaxRolo]

then again I work a different level of ball than you guys do so I have a different mind set.

What level is that?

T-Ball

the he DOES work the same level as you!

The little guys need good Umpires also!

[Jocko]

And yet they have to settle for you. Poor kids! :wave:

[JaxRolo]

And yet they have to settle for you. Poor kids!

im there for the MILFs!

[kylejt]

Situational umpiring is not for everyone.

[guitarplaya2007]

Sorry guys didn't mean for my post to have that type of connotation. Probably shouldn't have even put that part in there, my point was that at different levels different things are called and ignored, such as balks. At all levels my officiating adjusts to the level, just as my zone does. I guess what i am trying to say is that i did not mean to be condescending at all there with my post, just making a point but i should have made it differently. Once again, sorry if my post put anyone down, i'll choose my wording a little better in the future.

[Jocko]

Sorry guys didn't mean for my post to have that type of connotation. Probably shouldn't have even put that part in there, my point was that at different levels different things are called and ignored, such as balks. At all levels my officiating adjusts to the level, just as my zone does. I guess what i am trying to say is that i did not mean to be condescending at all there with my post, just making a point but i should have made it differently. Once again, sorry if my post put anyone down, i'll choose my wording a little better in the future.

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[Pete Peterson Sr]

Dear Lord, won't somebody please pull the life-support plug from this thread ????? :shakehead:

[Dannytheman]

Dear Lord, won't somebody please pull the life-support plug from this thread ?????

But I really saw him touch 2nd, I really, really did!! Honest injun. Double dutch swear. I ain't lying. His full size 4. On the bag. Both feet.

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[plateumpire29]

In a game that's already decided, no way I'd take it away from the kid. If it turned the game, I'd have to.

[basejester]

Dear Lord, won't somebody please pull the life-support plug from this thread ?????

If it bothers you, you could try not reading it.

[Pete Peterson Sr]

Dear Lord, won't somebody please pull the life-support plug from this thread ?????

If it bothers you, you could try not reading it.

And where is the fun in that ? Lighten up, Francis......