BOO

[24sdad]

Still not sure if I got this correct last night.

To lead off the inning, VT has B8, B9 and B1 scheduled to bat.

Instead, B9 leads off batting out of order and grounds out. At the conclusion of his AB, the DC says nothing.

B8 comes up to bat and after two balls and one strike, DC calls time and questions B9 BOO.

I tell DC BOO needed to be appealed prior to any pitch following B9's BOO. Had he done so, I would have called correct batter B8 out and had B9 bat again in the correct 9th position.

What I did was have B1 (who follows B9 in the correct order) assume B8's count and continued play. B8 would assume his normal position in the order next time around.

Both coaches were good with it, but it nagged at me the rest of the game. BTW - the inning ended 3 up and 3 down.

When I got home, I found this:

7.1.1 SITUATION C: The batting order is B1, B2, B3, B4. If B3 erroneously bats in place of B1 and the batting infraction is not detected by anyone before a pitch to the next batter, is B2 or B4 the next correct batter? RULING: B4, since he follows B3 in the batting order. Neither B1 nor B2 may legally bat until their turns come again as listed.

I called one of our instructors and he said he would have had B9 (instead of B1) assume B8's count, since it was technically still the 9th position in the batting order.

I believe the case play cited above is the same as my situation. I would be lying if I said I was positive when I made my decision last night that I remembered reading this case play and based my decision on it. I had read it previously, and it was probably floating around in my head somewhere, which contributed to my decision, but I was still not 100% sure I was correct.

Any thoughts?

[AJtheUMP]

I think it was right. Since no one called it on B9 then the order picks up there. So B1 would have been next.

[ukce1861]

The first pitch to B8 legalized B9's time at bat, thus making B1 the proper batter. Since B8 was still at bat when it was appealed, you simply have B1 assume the count.

Now, if B8 had reached base and then B8 had been appealed as BOO, B1 would be out and B2 would be the proper batter.

[Thunderheads]

The first pitch to B8 legalized B9's time at bat, thus making B1 the proper batter. Since B8 was still at bat when it was appealed, you simply have B1 assume the count.

Now, if B8 had reached base and then B8 had been appealed as BOO, B1 would be out and B2 would be the proper batter.

OK, sorry ...but ....WHAT? :smachhead:

[semper_fi_72]

The DM should have waited to see if B8 reached base.

Had he reached base and challenged BOO, B8 would have been removed from the base, B1 would have been declared out and B2 would be the legal batter.

He might have had 2 outs the easy way.

Once B8 took a pitch, B9 was a legal batter and B1 should have been up.

You did right by putting B1 up with the current count B8 had.

[Welpe]

The first pitch to B8 legalized B9's time at bat, thus making B1 the proper batter. Since B8 was still at bat when it was appealed, you simply have B1 assume the count.

Now, if B8 had reached base and then B8 had been appealed as BOO, B1 would be out and B2 would be the proper batter.

OK, sorry ...but ....WHAT?

Just as he said.

The important thing is to figure out who the proper batter should be. Since the BOO was detected after a pitch had been thrown to B8, B9's time at bat became proper. Since that is the case, B8 is now BOO and B1 should've been batting instead of B8. B8's at bat was not completed so B1 will assume his count with no further penalty.

To be quite honest, I'm more than a little perturbed at the idea that an instructor doesn't know this.

[Bob Bainter]

Perfectly handled! Excellent job!

[UmpTTS43]

The DM should have waited to see if B8 reached base.

Had he reached base and challenged BOO, B8 would have been removed from the base, B1 would have been declared out and B2 would be the legal batter.

He might have had 2 outs the easy way.

Once B8 took a pitch, B9 was a legal batter and B1 should have been up.

You did right by putting B1 up with the current count B8 had.

Why two outs? Removing B8 from the bases does not equate to an additional out. In FED, the only time you get additional outs during a BOO is when other runners are put out as a result of B8 becoming a batter-runner.

[yawetag]

To be quite honest, I'm more than a little perturbed at the idea that an instructor doesn't know this.

I agree. BOO isn't that difficult to understand.

[Jimurray]

To be quite honest, I'm more than a little perturbed at the idea that an instructor doesn't know this.

I agree. <acronym title='Batting Out of Order'>BOO </acronym>isn't that difficult to understand.

Me too. And, Thunderheads, less time on this site and more time in the book.

[TNCoach]

The DM should have waited to see if B8 reached base.

Had he reached base and challenged BOO, B8 would have been removed from the base, B1 would have been declared out and B2 would be the legal batter.

He might have had 2 outs the easy way.

Once B8 took a pitch, B9 was a legal batter and B1 should have been up.

You did right by putting B1 up with the current count B8 had.

Why two outs? Removing B8 from the bases does not equate to an additional out. In FED, the only time you get additional outs during a BOO is when other runners are put out as a result of B8 becoming a batter-runner.

Because the first out was made on B9.

[Welpe]

The DM should have waited to see if B8 reached base.

Had he reached base and challenged BOO, B8 would have been removed from the base, B1 would have been declared out and B2 would be the legal batter.

He might have had 2 outs the easy way.

Once B8 took a pitch, B9 was a legal batter and B1 should have been up.

You did right by putting B1 up with the current count B8 had.

Why two outs? Removing B8 from the bases does not equate to an additional out. In FED, the only time you get additional outs during a BOO is when other runners are put out as a result of B8 becoming a batter-runner.

Because the first out was made on B9.

It doesn't matter. You still can't get two outs on that play. The proper batter will be called out in lieu of the improper batter's putout.

[Rich Ives]

Wait for the actual result before appealing - the actual result may be a better choice than the penalty result.

[NWA_UMP]

The trick to BOO is to wait, keep your powder dry and appeal when something good happens for the batting team. As semper_fi_72 said...get two the easy way...

For the umpire it's really a matter of who is supposed to be at the dish, that is the guy who we get the out on...

[sdix00]

All that we need to remember is two players: The batter who was at-bat when the last pitch, play, or attempted play was made, and the batter who last completed an at-bat before him.

Once you know those two things, it's just a matter of applying the penalty if applicable.

I don't understand how we get two outs, though. I may have missed something.

[Mike Prince]

There was already one out as a result of the first batter. Getting the out on the next batter being out of order gets the 2nd one (if the defense waits until he reaches base to appeal it)

[Welpe]

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[dumbdumb]

And if B8 strikes out, I am having my pitcher throw an intentional ball to B1 who will probably come up next, and then go to the umpire after the 1st pitch and ask for B9 to bat again, especially if B9 isn't a very good hitter compared to B1.

[Rich Ives]

And if he hits into a DP you just zip it and let things go on as unplanned. Ignoring a BOO is valid and can be advantageous.

[TNCoach]

I think he was saying you already have one out, now you get your 2nd out the easy way, not two outs on one play. Thats what I took him to mean.

[SoCal Lurker]

And if B8 strikes out, I am having my pitcher throw an intentional ball to B1 who will probably come up next, and then go to the umpire after the 1st pitch and ask for B9 to bat again, especially if B9 isn't a very good hitter compared to B1.

You lost me -- why would yo do that?

Since B1 is now BOO, why wouldn't you pitch to him and see what happens -- unless he make an out, then raise the issue as B9 will be out for not taking his turn to bat. What am I missing?

[mstaylor]

He is saying play the odds. B9 is probably not as good as B1. If you wait and B1 gets on then B9 would be out and B1 would bat again. In the OP, he did exactly right and your trainer needs to sign up and continue his education.

[Rich Ives]

He is saying play the odds. B9 is probably not as good as B1. If you wait and B1 gets on then B9 would be out and B1 would bat again. In the OP, he did exactly right and your trainer needs to sign up and continue his education.

If I wait until B1 gets on I have a guaranteed out with B9. If I replace B1 with B9 I only have a potential out because B9 could get on. Which seems better to you? I'm going with the guaranteed out.