9:09 play at first

[dumbdumb]

if it works, play at 1b, at 9:09. what cha got.

3 loses in a row for yankees. yankees will be cranky, starting now and for game tomorrow. could there be fireworks???

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/game/744968

 

 

[ArchAngel72]

Good call I might even go so far as calling obstruction.

1st infielder made a play and booted it 2nd infielder is not protected correct?  Im asking as I'm rusty and going by my crappy memory

 

[JSam21]

20 minutes ago, ArchAngel72 said:

Good call I might even go so far as calling obstruction.

1st infielder made a play and booted it 2nd infielder is not protected correct?  Im asking as I'm rusty and going by my crappy memory

 

Every fielder is protected in the act of fielding a batted ball. This is still a batted ball. 

Now where you might be getting hung up is with NFHS doesn't allow a defender to re-establish protection after their initial attempt at fielding a batted ball like OBR and NCAA rule sets. However, NFHS does extend protection to each fielder on THEIR initial attempt. So under NFHS rules, the pitcher is still protected because it was their initial attempt.

 

[JSam21]

3 minutes ago, JSam21 said:

 

 

 

Edited September 4 by JSam21
dupe post

[MadMax]

7 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

at 9:09. what cha got.

An exhibit as to why Professionals playing (and officiating) the Game are Professionals. 

Even if we apply NCAA rules to this, the F1 had the ball in his possession when his momentum slides him into the basepath(line). The BR cleanly vaults him – no contact, no tag. 

I’m umpirically (new word!) impressed with U2 Alex MacKay at 6:31. An arcing series of read steps, with a Pro’s body already past the (oversized) base, and picks up a lunging swipe tag to clip the hand – and signal it – with the antifreeze in the blood to stride away (undoubtedly confirmed on video). I think he’s even a 3-digit! 

[ArchAngel72]

1 hour ago, JSam21 said:

Every fielder is protected in the act of fielding a batted ball. This is still a batted ball. 

Now where you might be getting hung up is with NFHS doesn't allow a defender to re-establish protection after their initial attempt at fielding a batted ball like OBR and NCAA rule sets. However, NFHS does extend protection to each fielder on THEIR initial attempt. So under NFHS rules, the pitcher is still protected because it was their initial attempt.

 

 

Yep LL does the same thats where I was confusing it.  1st fielder gets the attempt booting it does not get them continued protection.. Ok thanks for clearing my mind on that one

[834k3r]

I like watching these videos and try to glean something I can apply to my FED games--thanks for posting that, @dumbdumb. In the OP, no runners so even in a two-man crew we could find ourselves in a similar situation.

Note to self:  I really need to work on staying mobile.

[MadMax]

53 minutes ago, 834k3r said:

Note to self:  I really need to work on staying mobile.

As you are well aware, this isn’t directed at you, but instead is prompted by what you said, directed at everyone in a similar… position(?)… circumstance(?)… 

2 critical things: 

1. Stop perseverating on “being stopped and stationary” for everything. Instead, thru practical repetitions, begin to incorporate the muscle memory so as to know – almost unconsciously – when to move and when to stop/pause/perform-a-signal (mechanic). To be fair, this cannot be properly guided by an evaluator or instructor; instead, this has to guided by a mentor (or vested colleague) or developer, with a great degree of this being self-pushed. Don’t look at it as “get better”, look at it as “be better at… “
2. Reduce or refuse the dependence on diagrams. Sure, they can give a cursory guide as to where to start (IP), and where approximately you should/could/would go on a generic play, but the specifics are best learned by viewing, processing, reacting, and applying. Diagrams completely lack the temporal (time) component, which is crucial to success with this. 

The key to “mobility” (“staying mobile”, as you termed it) is to be anticipating most of the components of a play as it unfolds, and then reacting accordingly, as if by nature. 

1 hour ago, 834k3r said:

I can apply to my FED games

I’m going to kindly correct you: don’t limit it to “FED games”. There’s nothing about a Fed game – other than rules & their application – that dictates, directs, or demands that we physically perform any different from game type to game type. Sure, there may be minor details regarding movements, but you’ll find many more similarities than differences. 

[maven]

3 hours ago, 834k3r said:

I like watching these videos and try to glean something I can apply to my FED games--thanks for posting that, @dumbdumb. In the OP, no runners so even in a two-man crew we could find ourselves in a similar situation.

Note to self:  I really need to work on staying mobile.

If you want to glean something for a FED game, remember that hurdling a fielder is illegal in FED. BR would be out (live ball) on this play in FED.

I try not to call hurdling—hurdling a fielder's arm, for example, is nothing—but the BR seems to go right over F1's head here, and we'd have to get that.

In OBR, this is nothing—not hurdling, not OBS, not INT. Good no call.

[MadMax]

3 hours ago, maven said:

In OBR, this is nothing—not hurdling, not OBS, not INT. Good no call.

(Maven knows this already… ) 

And yet, this same play can be performed, by the same exact players, in the same way… and viewed by the exact same umpire(s)… and if played under NFHS rules, is ruled (adjudged) as an Out. As a reminder, American Legion and USSSA (as prominent examples) are OBR. 

Same players (kids). 

And everyone wonders why our jobs are so hard. 

[dumbdumb]

another look without having to get to 9:09

do we have a runner ticking the pitchers glove at 20 and 26 while the pitcher has control of the ball in his bare hand, which is no good for tagging a runner with the glove (not out), while the ball is in the bare hand. must touch runner with ball in bare hand, or with the glove with the ball in the glove. maybe i am not seeing that and just making it up and maybe i forgot the rule or it changed.

https://www.mlb.com/video/tommy-kahnle-in-play-no-out-to-josh-smith?q=new york yankees&cp=CMS_FIRST&qt=FREETEXT&p=0

[MadMax]

2 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

And maybe i forgot the rule or it changed.

Uhm… 🤔… you do indeed have contact between an empty glove and the BR’s leg. Well spotted. But the BR was adjudged Safe. He was not (legally) tagged. He was not awarded 1B on an OBS call. 
Nor was he ruled out for vaulting / hurdling over the fielder, nor was he adjudged to be Out of the Basepath (a few of those calls going around this MLB season). 

So what’s the question? 

[dumbdumb]

21 minutes ago, MadMax said:

Uhm… 🤔… you do indeed have contact between an empty glove and the BR’s leg. Well spotted. But the BR was adjudged Safe. He was not (legally) tagged. He was not awarded 1B on an OBS call. 
Nor was he ruled out for vaulting / hurdling over the fielder, nor was he adjudged to be Out of the Basepath (a few of those calls going around this MLB season). 

So what’s the question? 

1. was there contact with the empty glove or was i the only one seeing/or dreaming that. 2. since the ball was in his bare hand at the time, he was not legally tagged. this was mainly for some of the newer guys, not those who are blind in one eye and cant see out the other like me.

[MadMax]

44 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

1. was there contact with the empty glove or was i the only one seeing/or dreaming that.

13 hours ago, MadMax said:

The BR cleanly vaults him – no contact, no tag. 

What I meant in my earlier posting – devoid of seeing that fine detail of the empty glove contacting the BR (way to see that with your one good eye, DD) – was there was no contact of consequence, that often influences amateur umpires to call something. 

Not all contact is bad contact. Not all contact implies OBS or INT. Not all contact needs to be stopped, adjudicated, and “punished”. 

[dumbdumb]

6 hours ago, MadMax said:

What I meant in my earlier posting – devoid of seeing that fine detail of the empty glove contacting the BR (way to see that with your one good eye, DD) – was there was no contact of consequence, that often influences amateur umpires to call something. 

Not all contact is bad contact. Not all contact implies OBS or INT. Not all contact needs to be stopped, adjudicated, and “punished”. 

yep, and that's why (the last paragraph) i kicked that play here, and you explained it well, for the newer, and not newer, and i believe Larry Barnett would whole heartedly agree.

[834k3r]

20 hours ago, maven said:

hurdling a fielder is illegal in FED

💯

[maven]

2 hours ago, 834k3r said:

💯

Thank you, but remember: it's FED. Nobody gets 100%.

🙃

[The Man in Blue]

On 9/4/2024 at 1:28 PM, maven said:

If you want to glean something for a FED game, remember that hurdling a fielder is illegal in FED. BR would be out (live ball) on this play in FED.

I try not to call hurdling—hurdling a fielder's arm, for example, is nothing—but the BR seems to go right over F1's head here, and we'd have to get that.

In OBR, this is nothing—not hurdling, not OBS, not INT. Good no call.

 

I was waiting for that point . . . 

 

On 9/4/2024 at 5:24 PM, MadMax said:

(Maven knows this already… ) 

And yet, this same play can be performed, by the same exact players, in the same way… and viewed by the exact same umpire(s)… and if played under NFHS rules, is ruled (adjudged) as an Out. As a reminder, American Legion and USSSA (as prominent examples) are OBR. 

Same players (kids). 

And everyone wonders why our jobs are so hard. 

. . . AND that one.

[Velho]

On 9/4/2024 at 7:04 AM, ArchAngel72 said:

On 9/4/2024 at 5:42 AM, JSam21 said:

Every fielder is protected in the act of fielding a batted ball. This is still a batted ball. 

Now where you might be getting hung up is with NFHS doesn't allow a defender to re-establish protection after their initial attempt at fielding a batted ball like OBR and NCAA rule sets. However, NFHS does extend protection to each fielder on THEIR initial attempt. So under NFHS rules, the pitcher is still protected because it was their initial attempt.

 

 

Yep LL does the same thats where I was confusing it.  1st fielder gets the attempt booting it does not get them continued protection.. Ok thanks for clearing my mind on that one

Hmm. Didn't realize FED did that. Makes sense since under OBR it's better that a deflected ball hit the runner (unintentionally of course) vs getting stuck on INT for not avoiding a fielder fielding a deflected ball on a bang-bang play.