Does LL still require a dangling throat protector on all catcher's masks?

[Thunderheads]

The way the throat protectors are attached is just ridiculous!  For what?  Just to satisfy a safety rule?  I'm not sure what's worse! 🙄

[834k3r]

I think LL says, "I see you NFHS; hold my beer."

[Velho]

2 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

The way the throat protectors are attached is just ridiculous!  For what?  Just to satisfy a safety rule?  I'm not sure what's worse!

So you all don't think throat dangles are worthwhile. Or am I misreading things?

[Thunderheads]

4 minutes ago, Velho said:

So you all don't think throat dangles are worthwhile. Or am I misreading things?

My comment is sarcasm.  What I'm saying is that they way they're being done (like the photos from the LLWS) is useless, and you may as well not have them based on how they're being used.   I hope that clarifies

[Velho]

1 minute ago, Thunderheads said:

My comment is sarcasm.

Thanks. I see it now - 2nd cup of coffee helped  

[834k3r]

7 minutes ago, Velho said:

So you all don't think throat dangles are worthwhile. Or am I misreading things?

I get the reason for the LL rule. I really do. But when the catcher has the TG dangling an inch or more below the bottom of his HSM, the TG is not serving its purpose.

[Thunderheads]

Just now, 834k3r said:

I get the reason for the LL rule. I really do. But when the catcher has the TG dangling an inch or more below the bottom of his HSM, the TG is not serving its purpose.

or 6 or 8 inches!!

[Jimurray]

5 minutes ago, Velho said:

Thanks. I see it now - 2nd cup of coffee helped  

My comment is not sarcasm. Danglers are not needed on hockey style masks. As evidenced in the LLWS, they are an impediment to handling the mask and thus the catcher or coach will attach it in an "improper" manner to facilitate handling the mask and nobody at WP seems to worry about it because they know it's not a danger.

 

[Thunderheads]

1 minute ago, Jimurray said:

My comment is not sarcasm. Danglers are not needed on hockey style masks. As evidenced in the LLWS, they are an impediment to handling the mask and thus the catcher or coach will attach it in an "improper" manner to facilitate handling the mask and nobody at WP seems to worry about it because the know it's not a danger.

 

basically my point as well .......

[ArchAngel72]

 

 

Need to start getting leagues to use these for HSM

 

 

Would love to see the smoke coming from LL 

[Vegas_Ump]

20 hours ago, Jimurray said:

thread revival. 
I don’t see them stopping any games this year at LLWS with danglers “improperly” attached

I interrupt a regional tournament game because the throat protector was installed incorrectly.

Mike

[Vegas_Ump]

1 hour ago, Thunderheads said:

or 6 or 8 inches!!

Yeah!  It's not a substitute for a cup!  🙂

 

[Jimurray]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Ump said:

I interrupt a regional tournament game because the throat protector was installed incorrectly.

Mike

Would you stop this game? Off topic, F2 does move the chest protector up when he's in position.

 

[MadMax]

6 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Would you stop this game?

How is <that> DTG installed incorrectly? That DTG was not designed to complement that specific HSM. AnnNNNnnnd, all that gear is provided, complimentary, from Easton to all 20 teams of the LLWS. There is likely a LLWS marshall there to wrangle and rectify issues of equipment compliance; to wit, the umpires at Williamsport are not burdened with “stopping the game”. 

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, MadMax said:

How is <that> DTG installed incorrectly? That DTG was not designed to complement that specific HSM. AnnNNNnnnd, all that gear is provided, complimentary, from Easton to all 20 teams of the LLWS. There is likely a LLWS marshall there to wrangle and rectify issues of equipment compliance; to wit, the umpires at Williamsport are not burdened with “stopping the game”. 

You have not grasped the nuance of the thread or my posts. Have you RTFT through out? “Improper” attachment has been defined but I would not nor would I expect the LLWS umps to stop a game for this. Some in this thread would but they only stopped a regional game. Are you saying the DTG needs to hang in any which way from the hockey style mask but it needs to be there however it’s location, by interp or not. My point being that it does not need to be there and LL at WP will just be happy with them hanging any which way because theye are an impediment to handling the mask which many teams have never had to deal with since, most probably, their league never enforced the rule when it came to hockey style helmets. NFHS eliminated the jewelry rule this year. LL will eliminate the dangler interp for hockey style masks next year I bet. Ardent safety rule umps will have to rethink as the NFHS ardent jewelry rule sycophants had to. BTW you know that NCAA has similar wording for the catcher’s mask but they think that the standard mask complies. 

[Jimurray]

17 hours ago, MadMax said:

How is <that> DTG installed incorrectly? That DTG was not designed to complement that specific HSM. AnnNNNnnnd, all that gear is provided, complimentary, from Easton to all 20 teams of the LLWS. There is likely a LLWS marshall there to wrangle and rectify issues of equipment compliance; to wit, the umpires at Williamsport are not burdened with “stopping the game”. 

You have identified the issue with the helmet. I can only find that helmet as the Jen Stro softball catcher's helmet. It appears to have been used in the softball world series as well as the baseball world series. That is not a problem as it is NOCSAE certified. The problem is that it doesn't have the lowest rung where danglers are assumed to hang from. So we are seeing no gap which restricts the dangle to a longer gap which at some point becomes ineffective, not that I think the effectiveness is needed. It's possible the Easton and/or LL wrangler distributed the masks and danglers not attached and coaches were left to attach as they liked. 

[MadMax]

16 hours ago, Jimurray said:

RTFT through out?

RTFT? Read The F*€king Thread? 

16 hours ago, Jimurray said:

but I would not nor would I expect the LLWS umps to stop a game for this.

Nor would I. I’d like to put forth, further, that not only would they (not), but it’s a matter of could they (not). They (most likely) could not stop a game anyway. ESPN and LLWS would not give them that latitude and responsibility!   So, to extrapolate further, I’m going to argue that LL umpires should not (be burdened or expected to) stop a game for this! Ever! 
“Not my job, not my responsibility”. 

[Aging_Arbiter]

On 8/20/2023 at 4:36 PM, Jimurray said:

I don’t see them stopping any games this year at LLWS with danglers “improperly” attached

I know for certain that this was corrected in one game (international).  I was U2 and closer to center field between innings.  Team came out from commercial break and one of my partners signaled to the plate guy.  They took him to the dugout and shortened the strings.

[Jimurray]

21 minutes ago, Aging_Arbiter said:

I know for certain that this was corrected in one game (international).  I was U2 and closer to center field between innings.  Team came out from commercial break and one of my partners signaled to the plate guy.  They took him to the dugout and shortened the strings.

Like I said, the few games I watched it wasn't corrected but it's not that big of a deal for me. 

[Vegas_Ump]

I would also add that I religiously wear a throat protector.  I have been hit there more by thrown bats than by thrown or fouled balls.  So I am a stickler in Little League on proper equipment and it's installation.

Mike

Las Vegas

[Jimurray]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Ump said:

I would also add that I religiously wear a throat protector.  I have been hit there more by thrown bats than by thrown or fouled balls.  So I am a stickler in Little League on proper equipment and it's installation.

Mike

Las Vegas

I also wear a throat protector on my mask. I don't see the need for throat protectors on current hocket style masks and LL is the only code that requires them. They also do not consistently enforce proper installation of them.

[Velho]

1 minute ago, Jimurray said:

I also wear a throat protector on my mask. I don't see the need for throat protectors on current hocket style masks

We can obviously agree to disagree but I wear a HSM and definitely see the need. I've had enough balls come off my throat protector that I went to a longer one.

 

5 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

LL is the only code that requires them. They also do not consistently enforce proper installation of them.

On this we are in agreement.

[Jimurray]

4 hours ago, Velho said:

We can obviously agree to disagree but I wear a HSM and definitely see the need. I've had enough balls come off my throat protector that I went to a longer one.

Wouldn't that ball hit your chest protector? I have heard of rare instances of balls getting under the mask throat protector and dangler.

[834k3r]

17 hours ago, Velho said:

We can obviously agree to disagree but I wear a HSM and definitely see the need. I've had enough balls come off my throat protector that I went to a longer one.

13 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Wouldn't that ball hit your chest protector? I have heard of rare instances of balls getting under the mask throat protector and dangler.

You can both be correct on this.

In LL, I find myself leaning forward/down more to get my eyes to the top of the strike zone (squatting will only get me partly there). If you imagine a side view, if my upper body is leaning forward more that means my head is tilted more and my chin is further away from my chest. That gives more room for a wayward ball to get into an uncomfortable, if not dangerous location on the neck--even under an HSM. In FED games, I'm much more upright, and my chin is then closer to my chest, making that area smaller.