Case Play 2019-4 - Turner's Slide Tackle

[Lindsay]

When MLB adopted its bona fide slide/interference rule, baseball didn't envision a mid-base sliding tackle like that of Dodgers 3B Justin Turner against Diamondbacks SS Nick Ahmed, in the baseline between first and second base, when Ahmed attempted to tag Turner during a ground ball on the infield....

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[Thunderheads]

that's a take out slide clear as day (watch the leg kick) .....

I don't see why they couldn't have gotten 2 here .....

[Mudder]

1 minute ago, Thunderheads said:

that's a take out slide clear as day (watch the leg kick) .....

I don't see why they couldn't have gotten 2 here .....

Leg kick or not, its still IF as its not a Bona Fide slide because R1 didn't reach the base.

[Thunderheads]

15 minutes ago, Mudder said:

Leg kick or not, its still IF as its not a Bona Fide slide because R1 didn't reach the base.

agree

[grayhawk]

To me, this appears to be an attempt to avoid a tag, and was not a slide into a base.  I don't think the bonafide slide rule is relevant here.

[Thunderheads]

1 minute ago, grayhawk said:

To me, this appears to be an attempt to avoid a tag, and was not a slide into a base.  I don't think the bonafide slide rule is relevant here.

No, I don't believe he's avoiding anything ........ IMO........

it's an attempt to slide into and "take out" F6 ....  again, ... notice the leg kick

[maven]

1 hour ago, grayhawk said:

To me, this appears to be an attempt to avoid a tag, and was not a slide into a base.  I don't think the bonafide slide rule is relevant here.

That's what I see. And there was a tag attempt, rather than an attempt to throw to 1B: that might have prompted an INT call, as he was still the protected fielder. But when he tries to tag R1, we just have a tag attempt and avoidance attempt.

[Thunderheads]

Gentlemen .... please ......  I'm not going to think for a second that I'm more knowledgeable than @maven or @grayhawk ..... but this still shot is from the video just AFTER Turner kicks his leg through what you're calling an avoidance attempt ....this is not by any means an avoidance attempt.   Watch the video from 1:11-1:14 ....

[yawetag]

I'm with @Thunderheads here and would have called the INT myself. Perpendicular to the oncoming fielder and the leg kick are obvious signs.

In these situations, I would think stopping or beginning to return to 1B would be better ways to "break up" the DP.

[Thatsnotyou]

I have no idea how anyone can watch that and think he wasn't trying to take out the fielder so he couldn't get his teammate out at 1st. This one seemed pretty easy with one look at it.

[maven]

If we're discussing stills, then here's the one that interests me:

That's the only contact between runner and fielder. I have a legal slide with contact below the fielder's knee.

After that contact, the runner kicks his leg up in the air. Kicking air is not illegal.

The runner dropped under a tag. The contact was otherwise legal.

What the runner was "trying to do" is moot. What rule prohibits this action, away from the base, with a fielder trying to tag him (not to make a throw to retire another runner)?

[umpstu]

55 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

Gentlemen .... please ......  I'm not going to think for a second that I'm more knowledgeable than @maven or @grayhawk ..... but this still shot is from the video just AFTER Turner kicks his leg through what you're calling an avoidance attempt ....this is not by any means an avoidance attempt.   Watch the video from 1:11-1:14 ....

Leg doesn't come up until he is past the fielder.   He's underneath the fielder here and the leg isn't up. 

[Thunderheads]

If we're discussing stills, then here's the one that interests me:

That's the only contact between runner and fielder. I have a legal slide with contact below the fielder's knee.
After that contact, the runner kicks his leg up in the air. Kicking air is not illegal.
The runner dropped under a tag. The contact was otherwise legal.
What the runner was "trying to do" is moot. What rule prohibits this action, away from the base, with a fielder trying to tag him (not to make a throw to retire another runner)?

The point I'm trying to make is, and I think it was missed.....this is not making an avoidance attempt as much as one may think, but it's a slide and attempt to take out f6. That was my only point ....



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[Jimurray]

8 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

The point I'm trying to make is, and I think it was missed.....this is not making an avoidance attempt as much as one may think, but it's a slide and attempt to take out f6. That was my only point ....



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Before the change to collisions at HP, Jim Evans at a clinic said that there was no rule in OBR that prohibited crashing a fielder trying to tag a runner. There still is no rule at bases other than HP. There is reference to slapping and you could judge deviating from the basepath to judge interference. Jim just left that statement up in the air.