Colorado Little League Fight

[Lou B]

They were probably assaulting each other! Family Fued. 

[yawetag]

19 hours ago, stkjock said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27091186/teen-ump-caught-adult-brawl-gets-mlb-support

 

I understand fashion choices change and today's society is a lot more casually-dressed than before....

But, seriously... ripped jean shorts?

[stkjock]

yea, if my kid was going to such an event, then he'd not be wearing those, in fact he doesn't own a pair of jeans or jean shorts at all.  

[The Man in Blue]

Still preferable to the long baseball pants ... ugghhh.  

[dumbdumb]

guess this esteemed group did not make it in time to Colorado.

H"mm---What representation is nowhere to be found in this esteemed group, and is this by totally having a brain cramp??

If not, this is totally intentional and the representative group missing (and this group mentors and coaches, just in a different way and from a different yet no less important point of view) is just like a base or a doorknob.

https://www.positivecoach.org/national-advisory-board-1/

[RBIbaseball]

6 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

guess this esteemed group did not make it in time to Colorado.

H"mm---What representation is nowhere to be found in this esteemed group, and is this by totally having a brain cramp??

If not, this is totally intentional and the representative group missing (and this group mentors and coaches, just in a different way and from a different yet no less important point of view) is just like a base or a doorknob.

https://www.positivecoach.org/national-advisory-board-1/

Forgive my ignorance, but what are you talking about? I mean I read the link, but not sure what their impact is or what you're saying it should have been.

 

 

[umpstu]

1 hour ago, RBIbaseball said:

Forgive my ignorance, but what are you talking about? I mean I read the link, but not sure what their impact is or what you're saying it should have been.

 

 

Agreed.  What is he thinking or saying?

[dumbdumb]

4 hours ago, RBIbaseball said:

Forgive my ignorance, but what are you talking about? I mean I read the link, but not sure what their impact is or what you're saying it should have been.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, umpstu said:

Agreed.  What is he thinking or saying?

agreed, and that dumbdumb guy is ignorant (dumbdumb-how do you think i picked that name--from a thin man movie or something???--i ain't that smart).

Believe my thought was there are no umpires (just like only 1 on the MLB rules committee) represented with this group anywhere, and other than that bozo at Haywood High School that is not on the list (thank goodness), I would imagine there are some coach/umpires (Fielding Culbreth might have played with one) serving or have served in a dual capacity somewhere that should be on this committee. Yes, I know the article just says coaches in this organization.

[dumbdumb]

Update

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/multiple-people-involved-in-lakewood-youth-baseball-brawl-accept-plea-deal/73-55a209e3-b60b-4589-8056-c4612dc2ed1f

[The Man in Blue]

“The executive board of the Bear Creek Junior Sports Association said it was an “embarrassed, angry and ashamed” and has “zero tolerance for this type of behavior.” 

The board also said that all of the Bear Creek coaches and players identified as participating in the incident are being removed indefinitely.”

 

It’s good to know the league takes it more seriously than the prosecutor.  That said, the judge can still reject the recommendation.

 

Curious about including “players” in that statement though ...

[Umpire in Chief]

That's just down right crazy. I originally thought a disorderly conduct charge was too light, but this plea deal drops the charges in 3 months to a year. I'm calling BS. 

The prosecutor has no backbone. 

 

[yawetag]

17 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Curious about including “players” in that statement though ...

Probably the kids of the people involved. It's one more way to make sure the adults don't come around. If parents can't be involved, how's the kid going to get to/from practices and games?

As for the sentence, it's not surprising. If you saw the caseload of prosecutors, you'd understand why these incidents get pushed to the side with a plea deal.

At the last casino I worked, the gaming agents (highway patrolmen who were trained in all-things casino) were able to secure a prosecutor just for crimes at the casino. So often we would see huge cases get dropped without even charges being filed, as the prosecutors didn't have the time to even care about someone stealing from a casino. With the dedicated prosecutor, we were able to see a huge increase in prosecuted crimes. Plus, she was adamant about making the press aware of them, hoping it would deter others from coming to the casino for an "easy target".

[The Man in Blue]

Agreed with everything you said yawetag ...

 

It is tough seeing the kids get punished for the parents’ behavior.  These are probably kids that need a structured social activity in their lives the most.  But as you said, how do you get the kid to play without the parent?

Unrelated, but on that note ... back when I ran a rec league we had a parent that we found out was a registered sex offender.  He had sole custody of his daughter, but by law could not come to the park where all the practices and games were held.  I had to have the conversation with him about not being able to come into the park, but let him know we didn’t want to see his daughter not get to play and would do everything we could to ensure she could continue.  He was very understanding and polite about it.  He would drop her off at the park entrance and then go sit across the street in a lawn chair.

[LRZ]

(1) There is a difference between the nature of what charges are filed and what plea deal is offered. In fact, overcharging usually leads to a plea bargain the defendant must take or risk a conviction, with the likelihood of a more severe sentence.

(2) Under PA law (where I practiced as a public defender), I saw simple (and possibly aggravated) assaults in the video, not disorderly conduct.

(3) PA diversionary programs like the Colorado one are generally not available in crimes involving violence, which may explain the disorderly conduct, instead of assault charges.

(4) Despite what the article called them, these  people are no longer just "suspects"--after being arrested, charged, and going to court, they are "defendants."

(5) As for prosecutor caseloads, in my experience, there often will be a difference between crimes against the person and property crimes (like theft from a casino), and that difference is magnified by the spotlight of publicity.

[beerguy55]

On 7/1/2019 at 8:15 AM, Umpire in Chief said:

 

 

P.S.  Also disorderly conduct is a pretty light charge. Charge them with things which will effect their employability, then see how things straighten out. 

It may as it is.  If any of these bozos got through an interview with me and showed up on a reference check as I was preparing my offer letter...I would not be sending the offer.  If they were a current employee, I'd have cause...or it would be a really small severance arrangement.

As crappy as this is, this is mild compared to some of the (legal) stuff people post to their own social media page that either gets them fired...or ensures they never get a job offer.