Bad throw to first, B/R misses first ....

[Mister B]

13 minutes ago, maven said:

You could say that about any code.

The problem is, that it IS making something up. Why not default to cricket rules?

Where the codes differ, we need to know it.

I get that, but LL rules are based off of OBR. And there are many things in OBR that haven't made their way down to LL. So instead of stressing about finding a rule or casebook that covers it specifically for LL, follow OBR. Many of these are scenarios that a LL umpire may never experience, but at the same time there are many things that we experience that one would never be able to conceive of for a casebook. So we build off of what we have. I don't think we have a Wendelstadt writing interpretations of the LL rules specifically, so I can follow the interpretations of OBR and apply them as I see fit to LL. I will continue to seek clarification, but many times there isn't clarification to be found. 

[basejester]

With respect to appeals for missed home, the rule in Little League is the same as OBR.

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(k)
In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no
attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touch-
ing home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision;
Rule 7.08(k) Comment: This rule applies only where runner is on his way to the bench and
the catcher would be required to chase him. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner
misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that
case, runner must be tagged.

[Jimurray]

10 hours ago, Mister B said:

I get that, but LL rules are based off of OBR. And there are many things in OBR that haven't made their way down to LL. So instead of stressing about finding a rule or casebook that covers it specifically for LL, follow OBR. Many of these are scenarios that a LL umpire may never experience, but at the same time there are many things that we experience that one would never be able to conceive of for a casebook. So we build off of what we have. I don't think we have a Wendelstadt writing interpretations of the LL rules specifically, so I can follow the interpretations of OBR and apply them as I see fit to LL. I will continue to seek clarification, but many times there isn't clarification to be found. 

You do know about the RIM? But it does not have the interps from J-R (maybe some outdated), PBUC etc. I would agree that you should apply OBR to LL rules when an interp is needed. Their rule book is mostly word for word from what year I don't know with of course the LL modifications. Some things that the LL rulebook is missing from the OBR rulebook is guidance that a "double hit or ball hiiting the batter or his bat" when the batter has both feet in the box is a foul ball. They also have not added the "both the pitcher and the batter have violated a rule" clause when a pitcher stops because the batter caused it. An esoteric difference is when "all fielders have left the field"

[Mister B]

13 hours ago, maven said:

1 hour ago, Jimurray said:

You do know about the RIM? But it does not have the interps from J-R (maybe some outdated), PBUC etc. I would agree that you should apply OBR to LL rules when an interp is needed. Their rule book is mostly word for word from what year I don't know with of course the LL modifications. Some things that the LL rulebook is missing from the OBR rulebook is guidance that a "double hit or ball hiiting the batter or his bat" when the batter has both feet in the box is a foul ball. They also have not added the "both the pitcher and the batter have violated a rule" clause when a pitcher stops because the batter caused it. An esoteric difference is when "all fielders have left the field"

I didn't know about the RIM, but now I do. Although, it appears that the 2016 version is nothing more than an abridged version of the rule book. The 2014 version contains much better information. Also found the mechanics guide. The question I have is why isn't this readily available? It's bad enough that for a volunteer job, I have to pay for the rulebook, but then I have to join the registry to gain access to this stuff. 

[basejester]

15 hours ago, Mister B said:

The question I have is why isn't this readily available? It's bad enough that for a volunteer job, I have to pay for the rulebook, but then I have to join the registry to gain access to this stuff. 

I agree.