Liitle League EJ makes TV news

[ricka56]

There's no procedure to vacate a Little League ejection.

Is there a LL rule stating all ejections are final or could an umpire be talked out of an egregious ejection...I dunno.

[basejester]

Is there a LL rule stating all ejections are final or could an umpire be talked out of an egregious ejection...I dunno.

See the the rules below from the 2012 Rules Instruction Manual and the 2015 baseball rulebook.  I've never been personally involved in a tournament ejection as tournament director, umpire, manager, coach, or player.  My closest experience is that a manager I had named as league president was ejected (inappropriately, in my humble opinion) for the behavior of a spectator.  (The league president's authority over tournament games is none whatsoever.)

4.07 -- When a manager, coach or player is ejected from a game, they shall leave the field immediately and take no further part in that game. They may not sit in the stands and may not be recalled. A manager or coach ejected from a game must not be present at the game site for the remainder of that game. Any manager, coach or player ejected from a game is suspended for his or her team’s next physically played game and may not be in attendance at the game site from which they were suspended.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS: In Little League programs, if the player will not cause a disturbance for the remainder of the game, it’s acceptable, and advisable, to leave him/her in the dugout. At least he/she will be supervised there. However, the player will take no further part in the game, including serving as a base coach or warming up other players.
A manager or coach ejected from the game will leave the area completely and immediately. Should he/she fail to do so, the game may be suspended until compliance occurs. Furthermore, managers, coaches and players that are ejected may not attend the next game the team physically plays, even as a spectator. Ensure that a report is sent to the League’s UIC and the President outlining exactly what caused the ejection.

 

9.05 --
(a) The umpire shall report to the league president within twenty-four hours after the end of a game all violations of rules and other incidents worthy of comment, including the disqualification of any manager, coach or player, and the reasons therefore.
(b) When any manager, coach or player is disqualified for a flagrant offense such as the use of obscene or indecent language, or an assault upon an umpire, manager, coach or player, the umpire shall forward full particulars to the league president within twenty-four hours after the game.
(c) After receiving the umpire's report that a manager, coach or player has been disqualified, the league president shall require such manager, coach or player to appear before at least three members of the Board of Directors to explain his/her conduct. In the case of a player, the manager shall appear with the player in the capacity of an advisor. The members of the Board present at the meeting shall impose such penalty as they feel is justified. NOTE: The Board may impose such penalties that they feel are warranted, but may not lessen the requirements of rule 4.07.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:  If a manager, coach or player is ejected from a game the provisions of rule 4.07 must be followed. However, the Board may elect to increase the suspension, or terminate, etc. However, the Board may not make the penalty less than what rule 4.07 calls for. 

The umpire is the representative of the league president on the field. If there is a situation, circumstance or behavior that needs attention or needs to be corrected, he/she must inform the president of the facts.  If you don’t report incidents, expect them to occur again.....and again.....and again!

Tournament Playing Rules

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17.  Ejections

Any manager, coach, or player ejected from a game will be suspended for the next physically played game (See Rule 4.07).  This includes pregame and postgame activities.  Ejections shall be noted in the tournament teams affidavit in the Record of Ejections on page 4.  entry should include the member's name and date ejected and be signed by the Tournament Director or District Administrator.

 

[ricka56]

Is there a LL rule stating all ejections are final or could an umpire be talked out of an egregious ejection...I dunno.

See the the rules below from the 2012 Rules Instruction Manual and the 2015 baseball rulebook.  I've never been personally involved in a tournament ejection as tournament director, umpire, manager, coach, or player.  My closest experience is that a manager I had named as league president was ejected (inappropriately, in my humble opinion) for the behavior of a spectator.  (The league president's authority over tournament games is none whatsoever.)

4.07 -- When a manager, coach or player is ejected from a game, they shall leave the field immediately and take no further part in that game. They may not sit in the stands and may not be recalled. A manager or coach ejected from a game must not be present at the game site for the remainder of that game. Any manager, coach or player ejected from a game is suspended for his or her team’s next physically played game and may not be in attendance at the game site from which they were suspended.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS: In Little League programs, if the player will not cause a disturbance for the remainder of the game, it’s acceptable, and advisable, to leave him/her in the dugout. At least he/she will be supervised there. However, the player will take no further part in the game, including serving as a base coach or warming up other players.
A manager or coach ejected from the game will leave the area completely and immediately. Should he/she fail to do so, the game may be suspended until compliance occurs. Furthermore, managers, coaches and players that are ejected may not attend the next game the team physically plays, even as a spectator. Ensure that a report is sent to the League’s UIC and the President outlining exactly what caused the ejection.

 

9.05 --
(a) The umpire shall report to the league president within twenty-four hours after the end of a game all violations of rules and other incidents worthy of comment, including the disqualification of any manager, coach or player, and the reasons therefore.
(b) When any manager, coach or player is disqualified for a flagrant offense such as the use of obscene or indecent language, or an assault upon an umpire, manager, coach or player, the umpire shall forward full particulars to the league president within twenty-four hours after the game.
(c) After receiving the umpire's report that a manager, coach or player has been disqualified, the league president shall require such manager, coach or player to appear before at least three members of the Board of Directors to explain his/her conduct. In the case of a player, the manager shall appear with the player in the capacity of an advisor. The members of the Board present at the meeting shall impose such penalty as they feel is justified. NOTE: The Board may impose such penalties that they feel are warranted, but may not lessen the requirements of rule 4.07.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:  If a manager, coach or player is ejected from a game the provisions of rule 4.07 must be followed. However, the Board may elect to increase the suspension, or terminate, etc. However, the Board may not make the penalty less than what rule 4.07 calls for. 

The umpire is the representative of the league president on the field. If there is a situation, circumstance or behavior that needs attention or needs to be corrected, he/she must inform the president of the facts.  If you don’t report incidents, expect them to occur again.....and again.....and again!

Tournament Playing Rules

. . .

17.  Ejections

Any manager, coach, or player ejected from a game will be suspended for the next physically played game (See Rule 4.07).  This includes pregame and postgame activities.  Ejections shall be noted in the tournament teams affidavit in the Record of Ejections on page 4.  entry should include the member's name and date ejected and be signed by the Tournament Director or District Administrator.

 

So I guess the answer to my question is no...there is no rule saying an umpire can't rescind his own EJ.
Regards,
Chain-Yanker 

[basejester]

 

So I guess the answer to my question is no...there is no rule saying an umpire can't rescind his own EJ.
Regards,
Chain-Yanker 

Yeah, there's no rule against an umpire unejecting.  There's also no suggestion that's a thing anybody can do.  The local board of directors explicitly cannot uneject a participant during the regular season.

 

Edited August 1, 2015 by basejester

[jpperez14]

There must be more to the story. If there was a previous warning, as stated in the other article, the ejection is valid. It's like the video I tried to post, but wouldn't work, where the catcher turns around and points to the umpire, PU ejects him, and F2 acts like he did nothing wrong. Something was said, no one knows but the umpire and catcher. You know F2 isn't going to tell his dad or his coach what he really said.

Edited August 2, 2015 by jpperez14

[ZebraStripes]

I read somewhere that the ejection was appealled and upheld by the TD, region director and Williamsport as well.

[huntindog]

Absolute jackbooted move..just because you can eject doesnt mean you should. This is typical of an umpire that trys to make himself bigger than the game.

[scrounge]

Absolute jackbooted move..just because you can eject doesnt mean you should. This is typical of an umpire that trys to make himself bigger than the game.

Strong first post, and VERY impressive extrasensory powers....since, in reaching your very reasoned and well-supported judgment, I'm sure you know what not only occurred earlier in the game but you're also able to hear what the kid said at the end of the game.

 

That...or your yakking out of the exit of your digestive tract.

[huntindog]

Do you feel better now that you were able to work around "talking out of your ass"...aint you the smart one

[huntindog]

Would also like to add that maybe through your own "extrasensory powers" you will be able to tell us all where I was sitting and for which team I was chearing during this game.. ...(it was a great game)

[basejester]

Maybe you could tell us about what you did see and hear at the game.

 

[scrounge]

Would also like to add that maybe through your own "extrasensory powers" you will be able to tell us all where I was sitting and for which team I was chearing during this game.. ...(it was a great game)

Well, unlike yourself, I don't make any claims of magic powers. You never stated in your landmark first post anything at all about being there at all, "chearing" for either team. Somewhat convenient to trot that out now, but just to be sociable, I'll take your word. Being in the stands doesn't mean you're any less clueless about what really happened anyway.

All kidding aside, once you trotted out the "jackbooted" hyperbole, there was no real reason to read any further. Open a history book and you might learn what REAL jackbooted moves look like. None of them have anything to do with baseball.

[Replacematt]

Would also like to add that maybe through your own "extrasensory powers" you will be able to tell us all where I was sitting and for which team I was chearing during this game.. ...(it was a great game)

Are you even an umpire, or just a moron that signed up to be an idiot?

[LMSANS]

Let us calm down, folks.  I'm not saying something is not deserved...let's get back to civil discussion.

[Senor Azul]

I have been checking news sites to see if there has been any further developments on this incident. I have not found any but I found that there are about 120 comments posted to the video report posted in the OP. I copied some of the comments to post here and I think they give some pertinent context to the story.

I live in Lafayette and can tell you who should step up and take the blame for this: the Lafayette Little League officials, coaches and managers. This kid had exhibited bad behavior in the league for years yet they still awarded him a spot on the all star team despite the fact the website brags that playing on the all star team is a privilege and that players with poor sportsmanship will not be on the team. He had been ejected from regular season games for the same reasons and there was not one official, manager or coach that did not know this. The real lesson here is that when you bend the rules and compromise your principles it will usually come back to bite you and in this case it did big time!

 

 

Actually they did ask for special dispensation at the district level, it didn't go "up the chain" because, despite the reporting, this team was nowhere near close to making it to the world series, this was a lower level tournament that the team had already lost once before even with their superstar player, and then lost the very next game 13-0. They were most likely never going to the world series. Makes for a great story, but they weren't even close. Oh and as far as the request to let the kid play anyways, it was denied. The kid had been warned multiple times about throwing his gear in disgust during the game, the dad had been suspended from the league previously for poor sportsmanship. That's the real story behind this reporting: Above average team lost to a better team, player with a penchant for poor sportsmanship got ejected in the process.

 

 

[basejester]

It seems to me, with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been better to eject him for the earlier offense.  We're supposed to warn for the removal of the helmet when it's a safety hazard to the wearer.  If the helmet is removed as part of an unsportsmanlike display, then immediate ejection is often appropriate.

 

[ZebraStripes]

It seems to me, with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been better to eject him for the earlier offense.  We're supposed to warn for the removal of the helmet when it's a safety hazard to the wearer.  If the helmet is removed as part of an unsportsmanlike display, then immediate ejection is often appropriate.

 

From what I read, the warning was for throwing equipment (the bat I believe was mentioned) in the dugout.

[Magic]

the more and more I read these threads, the more I realize how bitter some Umpires are towards the "Spoiled, rotten, self entitled kids". If you guys don't like the children, then why do you Umpire the games? In the last year, I think I might have had 4 or 5 kids that I felt were not good kids. But it doesn't change my feeling toward the game or the profession of Umpiring. Just me opinion.

As for the Ejection, The umpire had his reason. I will never question an umpire for his right to Eject a player. Sounds like it is a Good Ejection.

[RichMSN]

the more and more I read these threads, the more I realize how bitter some Umpires are towards the "Spoiled, rotten, self entitled kids". If you guys don't like the children, then why do you Umpire the games? In the last year, I think I might have had 4 or 5 kids that I felt were not good kids. But it doesn't change my feeling toward the game or the profession of Umpiring. Just me opinion.

As for the Ejection, The umpire had his reason. I will never question an umpire for his right to Eject a player. Sounds like it is a Good Ejection.

I'm not sure exactly why I umpire, but "for the children" is nowhere near the top of the list.

[Richvee]

the more and more I read these threads, the more I realize how bitter some Umpires are towards the "Spoiled, rotten, self entitled kids". If you guys don't like the children, then why do you Umpire the games? In the last year, I think I might have had 4 or 5 kids that I felt were not good kids. But it doesn't change my feeling toward the game or the profession of Umpiring. Just me opinion.

As for the Ejection, The umpire had his reason. I will never question an umpire for his right to Eject a player. Sounds like it is a Good Ejection.

I'm not bitter. And in all honesty, probably 95% of the kids are great. But there's a percentage of them that have the air of self entitlement, lack of manners, and lack of respect for authority or elders that "shines" through. Doesn't mean they're not good kids. Most have just never been taught anything about etiquette or respect and are handed everything they've ever wanted. Traits that don't work well on  athletic fields. This sure isn't confined to the small field kids, or the 15u kids. It's at every level. So really it's got nothing to do with spoiled rotten little kids, it's more about my disdain for that attitude from 12 year olds right on up to the attitudes of some of today's professional athletes. Again, this is exhibited by a small minority of the players I've umpired, but they're out there...at every level...and I can't stand that attitude. 

Do I umpire "for the kids?" No. I umpire because I love the game, and this keeps me in it, and I love doing it. I volunteer for some LL not for the kids, but as a way of saying thanks to the people who run these leagues, districts and sections,  and those that have helped me get to where I am in the game today, and people who helped me get started.  

[Kevin_K]

I might suggest that there is some correlation between the percentage of ball players who do not exhibit "attractive" traits and the percentage of umpires who are "bitter". 

I would consider myself more bitter toward umpires who don't care to be good umpires because they make it more difficult for the rest of us. As far as players are concerned, I generally ignore the <1% who are d-bags and if they asked for me to punch their ticket I usually oblige their request. Same goes for the managers and coaches.

I do not umpire for the children - whatever that means. I also did not get into teaching for the children. I umpire because I love the game and I teach history because think every person needs to know the story of their country, their culture, and why the United States is so much more special than other places around the world.

------>  Stepping off soap box.......... thank you for your participation, exits are at the rear of the auditorium..... YMMV

[cyclone]

I read somewhere that the ejection was appealled and upheld by the TD, region director and Williamsport as well.

Of course, overturning a EJ would be a sure way to lose umpires.

[UmpJeff]

Even though the EJ was upheld at most every LL level, I hope they had a Kleenex big enough to house THAT booger!

[grayhawk]

It's funny to look back at the original article which made it sound like this Lafayette team was just a step away from the LLWS.  In reality, they got owned in the next game by Petaluma, who went on to the NorCal Division Championship, only to go 1-2 while giving up 27 runs in 3 games.  The NorCal winner (Cambrian) went on to the Western Region and went 0-2.  Yeah, that Lafayette team really had their LLWS dreams crushed by this umpire ejecting that kid.  SMH.