"You make the call" [double rundown]

[maven]

 

My call? Crappy defense up the wazoo!

[HeyBlue!]

Definitely crappy defence on the play.

 

Upon review, and several replays and pauses, I've got R2 and R3 both out.

 

Paused at the right moment of the video, looks like F1 nicked the jersey of R3 just before he made it to the plate.

 

[ElkOil]

After viewing it just once in real time, here's the way I would have called it:

 

R2 tagged out.

R3 safe at home.

PU out of position.

[johnnyg08]

I don't like PU's position here...is there more to the story as to why he's there?  Did he get sucked too far up the 3BL?  

[johnnyg08]

I don't like PU's position here...is there more to the story as to why he's there?  Did he get sucked too far up the 3BL?  

 

I watched the video...that's what happened.  Tough to get a better look than that...all things considered.

[umpstu]

After viewing it just once in real time, here's the way I would have called it:

 

R2 tagged out.

R3 safe at home.

PU out of position.

Plus a terrible hat

[James Walker]

PU shouldn't be up the line at all. Sure as hell shouldn't be walking. The he doesn't even attempt to get set on the call at the plate. R2 is out, real time I've got R3 safe.

[ricka56]

I'm sure I would have booted this call for laughing so hard at the Keystone Saps.

[woodiemiller]

 

My call? Crappy defense up the wazoo!

Rule - never reward bad base running if possible....... double play!

[umpstu]

PU shouldn't be up the line at all. Sure as hell shouldn't be walking. The he doesn't even attempt to get set on the call at the plate. R2 is out, real time I've got R3 safe.

He has the rundown between third and home.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

My call? Crappy defense up the wazoo!

Rule - never reward bad base running if possible....... double play!

 

Exactly .... bad base running means .... call them both out......  

[Thunderheads]

Definitely crappy defence on the play.

 

Upon review, and several replays and pauses, I've got R2 and R3 both out.

 

Paused at the right moment of the video, looks like F1 nicked the jersey of R3 just before he made it to the plate.

 

inconclusive ...............

[UmpJeff]

I don't think PU is out of position.  Is he in an ideal position? No.  However, he's responsible for the rundown between 3B and HP and that's what put him where he is.   From this position, he could have been straight-lined, but, he may have had a good look at the tag of R3.  You don't see too many of these plays.  But, the base running leaves a lot to be desired.

[James Walker]

PU shouldn't be up the line at all. Sure as hell shouldn't be walking. The he doesn't even attempt to get set on the call at the plate. R2 is out, real time I've got R3 safe.

He has the rundown between third and home.

Yeah, but it doesn't excuse the fact that he is WALKING up the 3rd base line. He starts moving up the line too quick. He should be POP then when R3 starts back to third he should move up the baseline. Then, as he's moving up the line, he starts moving to close to the line. I'm getting a little deeper into foul ground to get a better angle on F2s attempted tag in the back of R3. Then he just kinda stands there and doesn't even make an attempt to get back to the plate. Finally, he's still moving as he's making his safe call.

[noumpere]

 Finally, he's still moving as he's making his safe call.

 

Depending on the specific play, there's nothing wrong with moving as you are signaling the call.  It can be an effective tool.

[johnnyg08]

I think you can hustle yourself right out of position too.

I'm not sure what else he could've done to get a better angle considering all that led up to this play.

[Mudisfun]

I love the parent in the stand stating that R2 is out because he and R3 are occupying the same base.

 

Not 100% sure on the 'crappy base running' there... Seems like R2 at least knew the rules about who was allowed to occupy 3rd base and kept baiting the defense to chase him which left R3 to attempt to score... which worked in this case.

[ElkOil]

I love the parent in the stand stating that R2 is out because he and R3 are occupying the same base.

 

Not 100% sure on the 'crappy base running' there... Seems like R2 at least knew the rules about who was allowed to occupy 3rd base and kept baiting the defense to chase him which left R3 to attempt to score... which worked in this case.

 

Last week I was BU for a game that found R2 and R3 standing on 3B.  Their catcher and coach wigged out when I informed them that tagging both runners did not result in a double play.  "But two people can't be on a base!"  

 

"That's right," I said, "but one can.  And it's him," and I pointed to R3.  Both stomped off in a huff.  

 

Then I heard a father in the stands yell, "Terrible call!!  That's umpiring 1-0-1!!  Learn the rules!!"

[Rich Ives]

Not 100% sure on the 'crappy base running' there... Seems like R2 at least knew the rules about who was allowed to occupy 3rd base and kept baiting the defense to chase him which left R3 to attempt to score... which worked in this case.

 

The usual way to play this for the runners is to 1) assume R3 will be out so 2) R3 stays in the rundown long enough for R2 to advance to 3B and stay there. After R3 is out there is one out - runner on 3B.

 

Now if R3  does make it back and both are tagged then it's still one out with a runner on 3B.

 

Same result.

 

R2 blew it by retreating.

[Mudisfun]

 

Not 100% sure on the 'crappy base running' there... Seems like R2 at least knew the rules about who was allowed to occupy 3rd base and kept baiting the defense to chase him which left R3 to attempt to score... which worked in this case.

 

The usual way to play this for the runners is to 1) assume R3 will be out so 2) R3 stays in the rundown long enough for R2 to advance to 3B and stay there. After R3 is out there is one out - runner on 3B.

 

Now if R3  does make it back and both are tagged then it's still one out with a runner on 3B.

 

Same result.

 

R2 blew it by retreating.

 

 

The defense blew it by chasing him which allowed a run to score. As a coach I would take 1 run plus an out over an out and no run with a runner remaining on 3rd.

 

But I agree with your assessment that the play 'broke' and was not ran correctly.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

Not 100% sure on the 'crappy base running' there... Seems like R2 at least knew the rules about who was allowed to occupy 3rd base and kept baiting the defense to chase him which left R3 to attempt to score... which worked in this case.

 

The usual way to play this for the runners is to 1) assume R3 will be out so 2) R3 stays in the rundown long enough for R2 to advance to 3B and stay there. After R3 is out there is one out - runner on 3B.

 

Now if R3  does make it back and both are tagged then it's still one out with a runner on 3B.

 

Same result.

 

R2 blew it by retreating.

 

 

The defense blew it by chasing him which allowed a run to score. As a coach I would take 1 run plus an out over an out and no run with a runner remaining on 3rd.

 

But I agree with your assessment that the play 'broke' and was not ran correctly.

 

 

I'd take the dumb luck result but next practice we're going over how to run bases. It could easily have been two outs and no one on.