What would you do?

[Thunderheads]

From my understanding at least, F2 lost a scholarship over this stupid play.  Glad someone decided to punish stupidity.

GOOD!  The F1 should have also, without question ..... just as guilty

[GoodOldGus]

 

 

 

 

This video reminds me of the one from the Georgia State Playoff game from a while back. 

You mean this one?

 

 

 

I could have gone the rest of my life without being reminded of that incident. Pushes my BP up every time is think about it. Jackasses...

 

 

I'm curious what the "result" of this incident was?  I remember seeing this, but it was before I started umpiring.  I'd be curious to see how this crew handled this situation. 

[Mr Umpire]

 

From my understanding at least, F2 lost a scholarship over this stupid play.  Glad someone decided to punish stupidity.

GOOD!  The F1 should have also, without question ..... just as guilty

 

He may have as well if he had one.  I just heard comments about F2 when it was going around.

[mjr_2013]

 

 

 

 

 

This video reminds me of the one from the Georgia State Playoff game from a while back. 

You mean this one?

 

 

 

I could have gone the rest of my life without being reminded of that incident. Pushes my BP up every time is think about it. Jackasses...

 

 

I'm curious what the "result" of this incident was?  I remember seeing this, but it was before I started umpiring.  I'd be curious to see how this crew handled this situation. 

 

 

I believe (and I could be wrong, I'm drawing on memory) that the umpire didn't eject anyone and the game continued normally... After the game, the GHSA reviewed the play and determined there was intent, and leveed a small fine against the school. The school had their own investigation, denied all intent and wouldn't punish any players or coaches beyond what the GHSA required.

[conbo61]

I would probably need Tommy John surgery after tossing everyone who needed to be tossed.

[Mr Umpire]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/catcher-in-ump-beaning-loses-college-scholarship/nFCxH/

 

Catcher lost his scholarship to the school I went to for my Associates Degree.  Good for the school. 

 

The umpires may have missed this one and the school is just going to back their own.  At least one of the schools got it right then.

[catcher]

Why would the catcher lose the scholarship and not the pitcher? Doesnt seem fair...

[elares]

There was one that came straight in once immediately following a F2+F1 conference...  I've always wondered....

[alex7]

There was one that came straight in once immediately following a F2+F1 conference...  I've always wondered....

As I read in here once, it's always the EJs you DON'T make that bug you.

[Scratch Franzeo]

My immediate reaction would be to dump F1, F2, and the OHC. I may then dump the entire infield as they were involved on the planning of this pitch.

Did the game get called after this pitch?

[Superfan9000]

F1,F2 and ejected for sure, also you could dump the entire Defensive fan section.

[FlaUmp22]

F1,F2 and ejected for sure, also you could dump the entire Defensive fan section.

 

please tell me you just forgot to type DHC but meant to type it, and did not suggest dumping fans which absolves blame from the one who initiated the act since you did not propose to dump the coach. The fans weren't in that mound visit.

[zm1283]

I was reading the softball section over at one of the other officiating boards.  A baseball umpire make the observation about the PU's head moving when he tracks the pitch and about him holding his indicator in his right hand:

 

 

 

Page 238 of the ASA umpire manual

"The umpire then tracks the ball from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove or to the ground. Tracking the ball is the act of watching the ball from the pitcher's hand into the catcher's glove using a slight movement of the head guided by the nose. Tracking is not an exaggerated head movement or just an eye movement. It is a movement of the nose which simultaneously brings the head with the pitch as the eyes are locked on the ball."

 

And the real doozy:

 

 

He's obviously had softball training, since we get to uncorrect what tracking mechanics baseball umpire clinics screw up on softball umpires. It isn't physically possible to actually track a pitch all the way without moving the head; it's a shame that baseball is so focused on not moving the head that it forces their umpires to lose focus on the ball.

[scrounge]

 

I was reading the softball section over at one of the other officiating boards.  A baseball umpire make the observation about the PU's head moving when he tracks the pitch and about him holding his indicator in his right hand:

 

 

 

Page 238 of the ASA umpire manual

"The umpire then tracks the ball from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove or to the ground. Tracking the ball is the act of watching the ball from the pitcher's hand into the catcher's glove using a slight movement of the head guided by the nose. Tracking is not an exaggerated head movement or just an eye movement. It is a movement of the nose which simultaneously brings the head with the pitch as the eyes are locked on the ball."

 

And the real doozy:

 

 

He's obviously had softball training, since we get to uncorrect what tracking mechanics baseball umpire clinics screw up on softball umpires. It isn't physically possible to actually track a pitch all the way without moving the head; it's a shame that baseball is so focused on not moving the head that it forces their umpires to lose focus on the ball.

 

 

 

I'm not sure they're entirely wrong. I'm not sure they're right either. Each has their own customs and assumed justifications, but what is the actual physics of it? Is it better to keep the eyes relatively still and use your head movement or fix the head and move your eyes? Is there any actual empirical research or just anecdotes from those who've "always done it that way" from either side.

 

And we've seen enough MLB umpires move their heads that maybe - for an individual umpire with the benefit of job security - it actually is better in some cases to do it that way.

[LMSANS]

When I went to National ASA school, I got into a discussion with the lead instructor when I didn't move my head. I told him I do baseball and we don't move our heads. He said he had never heard that before.!?! Larry Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

[Mr Umpire]

My only argument to moving your head is the inherent danger of getting a foul ball on top of the head or an errant bat getting a better chance of hitting the jaw. 

 

I don't think it is any better or worse to move your head to see the pitch.  The eyes are still fixed on the ball.  However, if you move your head down and call a strike, it looks like you looked at it being low but still called it.  Or, a pitch to the outside and you call it but the batter argues it.  The head movement makes his argument a compelling one since you had to look at your right shoulder to see the pitch.

 

I don't move mine for safety reasons.  But, perception of the pitch based on the umpire's head movement makes a difference as well.  Plus, it is just what they want to see from baseball umpires.  Softball ones are screwed up anyways. 

[JaxRolo]

The last baseball collegiate camp I attended they said that it is ok to move the head a bit while tracking the ball.

[alex7]

Not overly scientific, but moving my head down just a bit makes the laptop screen seem to move up.  Wonder if that translates to making the batter's knees and some strike zone reference points seemingly move as well.  Same thing left and right - move your head right a little, the outside corner seems to move in.  It's late  =)

[MidAmUmp]

The last baseball collegiate camp I attended they said that it is ok to move the head a bit while tracking the ball.

SLIGHT head movement is natural and there's nothing wrong with that.  It's the tracking the ball with only your head movement that is unacceptable.

[JaxRolo]

The last baseball collegiate camp I attended they said that it is ok to move the head a bit while tracking the ball.

SLIGHT head movement is natural and there's nothing wrong with that. It's the tracking the ball with only your head movement that is unacceptable. Agree 100%

[Pete Peterson Sr]

When I went to National ASA school, I got into a discussion with the lead instructor when I didn't move my head. I told him I do baseball and we don't move our heads. He said he had never heard that before.!?!

Larry

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 Reason number 211, why I do not work softball.