2 in same game

[dumbdumb]

1st inning

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=30464763

 

6th inning

 

 

 

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=30470995

[basejester]

Has anyone ever been ejected without the announcers using the phrase "get his money's worth"?

 

Correct call, in my humble opinion.

[Thunderheads]

Has anyone ever been ejected without the announcers using the phrase "get his money's worth"?

 

Correct call, in my humble opinion.

both were easy calls ..........

[afaber12]

Has anyone ever been ejected without the announcers using the phrase "get his money's worth"? Correct call, in my humble opinion.

Maybe for a player, but I think every manager that's been ejected has got maximum financial efficiency. Cabrera definitely went. He doesn't stop swinging until it hits him. Even by every myth I've heard about check-swings - if the bat passes parallel with the front edge of the plate, or if the bat crosses the plate, etc then it must be a swing - he went. I'm pretty sure it got mentioned last time he got ejected, but I think it's worth saying again. The status of the player, their ability, their pay check, none of those factors should have an impact on whether a player should be tossed. He argued balls and strikes, then after the next pitch he did it again. You can all but guarantee that he either said something like "you messed up that call", dropped a magic word or two, or both. He's ticked at least a couple of boxes on the ejection checklist. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

[basejester]

Yes, I find it particularly bizarre that the announcers are criticizing the ejection based on how great the player is.  Guys. think that through for just a second. 

[scrounge]

"That's the 2nd time this year he's been thrown out in the middle of an at bat"..

 

So he didn't learn the lesson the first time, eh...

[Haid D' Salaami]

It must have been something good.. If Leyland isnt throwing a fit.. it must have been legit .. but who knows..LOL

[maven]

At some point skip is going to have to pull "Miggy" aside and tell him that his little act of lumbering around uttering profanities and arguing balls and strikes isn't going to help his team in the post-season.

[noumpere]

 

Cabrera definitely went. He doesn't stop swinging until it hits him. Even by every myth I've heard about check-swings - if the bat passes parallel with the front edge of the plate, or if the bat crosses the plate, etc then it must be a swing - he went.

 

With out regarding this particular call, what you say above is not true for pro rules.

[Mudder]

In the 1st video, Carbrera wants to appeal the check swing strike to U1? At this level some batters still think that because F2 can appeal a check swing ruled no swing by PU, that they are entitled to appeal a check swing ruled a swing by PU?

If PU rules it a swing there is no appealing.  I get this a lot with younger kids.

 

In the 2nd video, why was F2 confused by the play, almost like he didn't notice the pitch hit the batter?

[mstaylor]

If he doesn't want to get tossed in the middle of ABs then he needs to learn to shutup, or Leyland has to be quicker getting out there.

So it is ridiculous to eject for:

1. Being high paid

2. Being  talented

3. Being at bat

4. Walking away

5. Being in the dugout

6. Late in the game

7. Early in the game

8. During a pennant race

These are all statements by announcers at some point. There are more but these were off the top of my head. 

[Lindsay]

It would be an interesting statistic to see what the QoC % of home plate umpires ruling on half-swings on their own is. 

All I can do is give the small sample size of check swing ejections as called by the plate umpire...

3 PU ejections during the regular season for arguing non-appealed half swings (ruled swinging strikes at the plate), of which:

2 were correctly ruled and 1 was incorrectly ruled.

1 additional pre-season ejection for the swinging strike at home plate (correct call) = 3/4.

 

In 2012, it was 2-of-4 and 2011 was 1-of-2.

 

The interesting thing is that, when appealed and an ejection results, umpires in 2013 have been just 2-for-7: 2 correct calls out of 7 total ejection chances.

[basejester]

How are you measuring correctness on a swing call?  It's a pretty subjective standard.

[bam]

How are measuring correctness on a swing call?  It's a pretty subjective standard.

It's if the bat head gets out in front of the plate!  Wait... No - it's the wrists - that's it!  Uh.....

[grayhawk]

How are measuring correctness on a swing call?  It's a pretty subjective standard.

 

I think UEFL has a review board that rules on these types of questions.  That may be the "3/4" reference in his post - 3 out of 4 on the review board ruled that one a correct call.

[bam]

 

How are measuring correctness on a swing call?  It's a pretty subjective standard.

 

I think UEFL has a review board that rules on these types of questions.  That may be the "3/4" reference in his post - 3 out of 4 on the review board ruled that one a correct call.

 

Pretty sure he meant 3 out of 4 calls were correct. 

[mstaylor]

I just find it amazing when people bust a PU for making a call on a check swing without asking. Ummmm, that's his job. Sometimes he calls it a no swing and is asked to check, sometimes he gets blocked and asks on his own, other than that, it's his job.    

[afaber12]

 

 

Cabrera definitely went. He doesn't stop swinging until it hits him. Even by every myth I've heard about check-swings - if the bat passes parallel with the front edge of the plate, or if the bat crosses the plate, etc then it must be a swing - he went.

 

With out regarding this particular call, what you say above is not true for pro rules.

 

I'm not sure I understand which part of what I said is not true. That the myths exist? That though the myths have some levels of correlation with what is and isn't called, none of them are the standard set out in OBR for what constitutes a swinging strike?

 

I'm slightly more confused than is my natural state, which is admittedly higher than the average for primates.

[dumbdumb]

I just find it amazing when people bust a PU for making a call on a check swing without asking. Ummmm, that's his job. Sometimes he calls it a no swing and is asked to check, sometimes he gets blocked and asks on his own, other than that, it's his job.    

+1

 

But below the Collegiate level in the games I go to, the only point I see, is the PU pointing for help to the BU. I do not get to see the point at the batter for going on the swing. Many times the batter practically wraps the bat around his body and here comes the point for help to the BU. I am not talking about having to stay with a b$$$$$rd pitch either. What gives???

[dumbdumb]

 

 

Cabrera definitely went. He doesn't stop swinging until it hits him. Even by every myth I've heard about check-swings - if the bat passes parallel with the front edge of the plate, or if the bat crosses the plate, etc then it must be a swing - he went.

 

With out regarding this particular call, what you say above is not true for pro rules.

 

Ok, what do they look for at the pro level. Of course I know that the deciding factors can be different at all levels, but what are the pros looking for. I have heard the term, intent and distance used before, whatever that means, but just what is the pro thought process for determining that a batter offered at the pitch.

[noumpere]

 

Ok, what do they look for at the pro level. Of course I know that the deciding factors can be different at all levels, but what are the pros looking for. I have heard the term, intent and distance used before, whatever that means, but just what is the pro thought process for determining that a batter offered at the pitch.

 

 

Did he swing.  As simple as that.  You can have the bat past the plate and no swing or you can have a swing with the bat not past the plate.

 

But below the Collegiate level in the games I go to, the only point I see, is the PU pointing for help to the BU. I do not get to see the point at the batter for going on the swing. Many times the batter practically wraps the bat around his body and here comes the point for help to the BU. I am not talking about having to stay with a b$$$$$rd pitch either. What gives???

 

 

what gives is untrained umpires.  At higher levels they want the PU to get this when its a swing.  At lower levels theres a reluctance for whatever reason to call it as PU (and frankly for that matter even as BU theres a reluctance to call it)