fed mech. 1st to 3rd

[bryan59]

just need heads up on this.

 

r1 on 1st

b2 base hit to out field r1 go to 3rd

who has call at 3rd for fed mech.

 

b

 

r1 on 3rd

r2 on 1st

b3 base hit to out field

call at 3rd on r2 who has it

 

i was taught pu has play but here pu hangs out

[Jocko]

HP has calls at 3B in 1st sitch.

[Jocko]

On anyy fly ball or line drive to the outfield, HP is responsible for R3 tagging as well as any play at the plate. Should the ball not be caught, HP is responsible for play on R1 at 3B UNLESS he must remain on the 1BL for fair/foul. In this case, H should announce, "I'm on the line" to let his partner know to take the play at 3B. If HP covers 3B he should announce "I'm at 3rd" (or something to that effect) to let his partner know he's got the play at 3B.

Skip the R1 on third R2 on first fed jive.

R1=1B

R2=2B

R3=3B

[SnareDrum]

What Jocko said.

 

Beforehand, PU should signal BU that this will be the rotation, and before that, probably discussed in pre-game.

[yawetag]

To cement what these other skilled umpires have said, here's the answer -- straight from the 2013-2014 book (you're lucky -- I haven't burned it yet):

 

2-Man Mechanics - R1 at First Base Only (page 46): U1: Coverages: 1. Move out on all batted balls. Be ready to cover play at third base on R1 advancing when there is a clean hit to the outfield. If the ball is hit in the infield, move to assist, if asked by U2, on a possible swipe tag/pulled foot at first base. On an infield hit, U2 has all calls in the infield.

 

2-Man Mechanics - R1 at Third and R2 at First (page 56): U1: Coverages: 7. On base hits, move toward third in foul ground, ready to cover third on a play there or to retreat to the plate if R2 attempts to score on a hit.

[noumpere]

just need heads up on this.

 

r1 on 1st

b2 base hit to out field r1 go to 3rd

who has call at 3rd for fed mech.

 

b

 

r1 on 3rd

r2 on 1st

b3 base hit to out field

call at 3rd on r2 who has it

 

i was taught pu has play but here pu hangs out

There's more than one way to skin a cat and while most of us would have PU take the play at third if your group has BU take the play then you can work to change the mechanic (if youve got enough pull in the group) or work it their way.

 

Either way, you now know it's a good topic for a pre-game discussion (but be wary of trying to change something just based on a pre-game because someone will forget in the heat of the battle).

[bryan59]

1st year for snoa but you hit it on the head noumpere, i have no pull and here it seems pu has one call at 3rd. r1 and r2 flyball to out field "unless on the line" pu has tag up and play at 3rd. they say pu should stay with play for over throw.

[jjskitours]

We use CCA mechanics and from what little I've read on NF mechanics I would try to get your organization to change. With R1 only, the PU has play at 3rd base even when ball remains in the infield just as he does with ball hit to the outfield unless he has to remain "on the line". As always good verbal communication is a must. R1 and R3, PU only takes 3rd base on a ball hit to the outfield and again not if he needs to stay home to make the line call down 1st base / right field side. The one other time the PU comes down to take the play at 3rd base is when there is R1 and R2, less than 2 outs and R2 tags up and attempts to advance to 3rd base. BU has the tag ups at both 1st and 2nd base.

[noumpere]

We use CCA mechanics and from what little I've read on NF mechanics I would try to get your organization to change. With R1 only, the PU has play at 3rd base even when ball remains in the infield just as he does with ball hit to the outfield

 

While I agree that CCA is overall better than what I know about standard FED, and better than what we use here, and better than what the OP in the SNOA seems to use, I disagree with the CCA on the mechanic above.

 

I use it in college games, but I don't like it.

[Richvee]

We use FED mechanics here in NJ, and according to the state mechanics guy who spoke at our association meeting last night, when the ball remains in the infield BU will have all the plays at 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Only exception being PU will help in the rundown between 2nd &3rd. (He didn't mention it, but I'd assume PU can help in the rundown between 1st and 2nd if that's the only baserunner). 

[jjskitours]

What's the difference if the PU can get there on a ball that remains in the infield v goes into the outfield. Simply let the BU know you've got 3rd if he comes. This was a CCA change from 2 or 3 years ago. BU is in the B and will be on the right side to make any calls at 2nd or 1st while the PU (except when he has 1st base foul line responsibility or possible running lane violation) will be out in the infield on the left side at least half way to the pitcher's mound. If R1 keeps going to 3rd say after a throw to 1st, who is in better position to make the call on a play back at 3rd. More often than not it will be PU. Needless to say this is one for sure that needs to be covered in pre game conference. It takes a little getting used to, but I think it works best.

[grayhawk]

We use CCA mechanics and from what little I've read on NF mechanics I would try to get your organization to change. With R1 only, the PU has play at 3rd base even when ball remains in the infield just as he does with ball hit to the outfield

 

While I agree that CCA is overall better than what I know about standard FED, and better than what we use here, and better than what the OP in the SNOA seems to use, I disagree with the CCA on the mechanic above.

 

I use it in college games, but I don't like it.

 

I like the mechanic because PU is in a great position to make that call and BU is not.  With R1 and a grounder in the infield, PU should move to the 3rd base side of the mound to help on possible FPSR.  If R1 is safe at second and the defense makes a play on the BR at first with R1 now going to third, PU is just a few steps from the cutout at thrid with a great angle for the throw from F3.  If there is an overthrow, just stay inside and get back to the box for the call at the plate.

[Richvee]

What's the difference if the PU can get there on a ball that remains in the infield v goes into the outfield. Simply let the BU know you've got 3rd if he comes. This was a CCA change from 2 or 3 years ago. BU is in the B and will be on the right side to make any calls at 2nd or 1st while the PU (except when he has 1st base foul line responsibility or possible running lane violation) will be out in the infield on the left side at least half way to the pitcher's mound. If R1 keeps going to 3rd say after a throw to 1st, who is in better position to make the call on a play back at 3rd. More often than not it will be PU. Needless to say this is one for sure that needs to be covered in pre game conference. It takes a little getting used to, but I think it works best.

We were told last night the reasoning for PU not covering 3rd on the 2nd play in the infield is because they want PU to move up the 1BL to watch for a pulled foot/swipe tag. I'm not commenting on what I'd rather do. Simply stating how they want us to cover this in NJ high school games. 

[Richvee]

Another thing he said, which makes sense, is one time you are more likely to have a pulled foot is when  R1 is rounding 2nd and taking off for 3rd, F3's going to be cheating to get that throw off to 3rd. 

[bryan59]

thats what is said here r1, br hits to inf, pu up 1st base line watch pull foot and interference at 2nd

[bjones630]

PU has the call in both situations provided the batted ball gets to the outfield.  The mechanic we use is BU has all bases as long as the ball doesn't leave the infield, if it gets to the grass, the PU has the call at third in both cases.  First he takes the touch at the plate, in the 1st and 3rd case, then he works up the line for a play at third, not getting too close in case of a bobble or errant throw to third base, so he can still get back to the plate for a play there, and the FU can cover second for the BR if he tries to take an extra base and there is a play at 2nd.

[JaxRolo]

We are taught to start heading towards 3rd and glance back at R3 for the touch

[bam]

A - our normal rotation takes PU to 3rd.

B - With R2 (please STOP using the ridiculous FED designations for base runners - Runner on 1st is R1 etc) PU always stays home unless R1 & R2 with less than 2 out, in which case PU takes the tag at 3rd on fly ball outs. So BU takes your situation.

[maineump]

We have guys on the HS board that don't want to listen to common sense - they go by the book. So, we use BU has all the calls in the IF on a ball in the IF. Ball to the outfield then PU moves up. Second SIT - watch the touch and move up to 3rd.

Makes sense on an IF hit to watch the lane and pulled foot. Great point Rich about the 1B pulling to make the throw to third.

In college (2-man) we signal if the PU is going up. If the play developes and it makes sense for the PU to cover 3rd, then move up, but give the verbal.

Both guys need to stay on their toes. The guy in the middle NEEDS to get to the middle and have their head on a swivel to pull off the 1st to 3rd play. It can be tough in college games because of the speed of the game, so our PU reads what the partner is doing to determine what he will do.

Either way this NEEDS to be covered in pre-game and every time, even if you work regularly with your partner.

[mstaylor]

If the PU is rotating to third the pull at first is all BU. If the F3 is pulling fast to get the throw to third, it is a simple timing thing that the BU should have no problem seeing.