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Sayhey

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Do the same punch out for rt. and lft. handed batters that's acceptable.cwith left handed batter I turn toward the third base dugout by putting weight on my right foot and I weighting my left foot and spinning on the rt. foot and then I "bow and arrow a punch out. Hope that helps. Practice in a mirror

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HokieUmp
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....and if there's one thing we need to make sure of, and that's to stop the mold people.  That's why I spray all my gear between assignments.

mstaylor
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As a very long scissor guy, I know all the downsides to the stance. 1. It's unstable.....It is the least stable of the stances but once you learn it, that is no longer true. 2. Puts more stress on

Stan W.
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You tall guys can get a pass using the knee on smaller players as long as you can get up quickly and make your signals and rotations.....the lazy comes from those who stuggle to get up or stay down to

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Just do the bow and arrow facing the mound.  You have less chance of missing BI or something else in front of you. 

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CodyLoe15

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MLB practitioners have said that it is un-safe.  You create a tri-pod with you face being the most forward point.  When you take a blow there you are more susceptible to concussions.  All the energy travels back and jams up because you have no way to dis-purse that energy due to your stance.  Rather than having the ability to fall clear backwards in the box if the blow is hard enough.  

mstaylor

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It is a theory that the scissors is dangerous. I have taken many 85 MPH and up pitches square in the face with no ill effects. It is also thought that it can lead to back problems. I have lower back problems but I have been climbing buildings, repelling, picking stupid heavy things all my life. I wore a nail pouch that weight probably weighed 30 lbs most my adult life, back pain is a result. I also have horrible knees and as such any box type stance kills me, that includes GD,heel/toe or any other variation so I scissor. I am good at it, solid in it and it is far easier on my knees. 

MLB also believed that buckets are better protection against concussions, that hasn't proven out either. If you work in any repetitive job, which being a MLB umpires is, you will suffer pain and injuries from doing it. I will, and have, admitted the shortcomings of the stance, less stable and requires dropping later, but it also offers great advantages. It makes a smaller profile for getting hit and offers a great view of the zone. 

pnewton

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I am a scissor guy and have been for my entire umpiring career (12 years).  I have been told a handful of times to try to work the box because it is more comfortable but I couldn't disagree more.  At 6'5 I almost have to get into a catcher's crouch to get low enough to be able to judge the top of the strike zone (maybe this is just my problem) and doing that many squats over the course of a full game as was less comfortable that the scissor.

 

I have been hit in the mask, but who hasn't?  I have never been hit in the cup. I'll keep the stance.

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JaxRolo

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Another no cup guy. I have 38 years with no cup shots. Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2
If you don't have b###s you don't need a cup! Jk lol
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James Walker

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Another no cup guy. I have 38 years with no cup shots.

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If you don't have b###s you don't need a cup!

Jk lol

Dang jax, that's messed up...

mstaylor

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Another no cup guy. I have 38 years with no cup shots.

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If you don't have b###s you don't need a cup!

Jk lol

Dang jax, that's messed up...

 

Yeah, but it was funny.  :hi5:

CodyLoe15

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Jeff Nelson is one one the finest umpires in the game. His plate game is smooth. He steps back as the pitcher delivers. Some "step into" the position. I tried to be a box umpire. I just do not like it. I will say I have taken some wicked shots off the collarbone. The position does expose the collarbone to foul balls.

Nelson is the man.  You know his shirts sleeves are done custom so that they dont go all the way down to the elbow.  He is a innovator of equipment and uniform just as much as anyone else IMHO

mstaylor

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The scissors should be banned from the umpire world anyway!!!

Why? It is not for everybody but I would be out of the game by now if I had to box. 

JaxRolo

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Not to insult anyone that uses it but to me it loos lazy and something mold people would use

mstaylor

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If they look lazy then they are doing it wrong. I prefer the lack of stress on my body. Boxing causes stress on your back and knees, allows numerous cup shots and bruised thighs.

I will agree that it is not a preferred stance by many, is harder to learn and is less stable. What it is not, I'd done correctly, is lazy. At least half the guys in super regionals and CWS use it and looked good doing it. Now if you want to talk lazy looking, lets talk the knee.

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JaxRolo

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If they look lazy then they are doing it wrong. I prefer the lack of stress on my body. Boxing causes stress on your back and knees, allows numerous cup shots and bruised thighs.

I will agree that it is not a preferred stance by many, is harder to learn and is less stable. What it is not, I'd done correctly, is lazy. At least half the guys in super regionals and CWS use it and looked good doing it. Now if you want to talk lazy looking, lets talk the knee.

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Like I said I mean no disrespect to anyone nor am i saying any of you are lazy.

 

I agree with the knee!

CodyLoe15

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The scissors should be banned from the umpire world anyway!!!

Why? It is not for everybody but I would be out of the game by now if I had to box. 

 

I liked the look the scissors gave me but I won't work the scissors any more and the main reason is for pro school.  

HokieUmp

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Not to insult anyone that uses it but to me it loos lazy and something mold people would use

 

....and if there's one thing we need to make sure of, and that's to stop the mold people.  That's why I spray all my gear between assignments.

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JOHN3057

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For me I track the ball much better and stay locked in using the scissors. As for back issues not feeling anything yet.

My daughter approves my stance!

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BigUmpire

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For me I track the ball much better and stay locked in using the scissors. As for back issues not feeling anything yet.

My daughter approves my stance!

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Cute little gal is giving the scissors the thumbs up. Time to change.

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