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[Daniel]

Has anyone ever figured out the origins of the "hands are part of the bat myth?"

As it does just about every weekend (tournaments) I do, this past weekend was no different.

2 strikes & two outs. Inside pitch hits the batters hands on a swing attempt. OC comes out and agrees that it should be "dead", but hands are part of the bat and the batter should still be batting. A simultaneous "NO!" from both my partner & I end the discussion. Of course he begins explaining to his players that this is a "gray area".

I often wonder (if you read the book) how one could EVER draw that rule myth. I honestly believe that this rule is one of the clearest ever written. If you swing at a pitched ball that hits you, dead ball, strike! Its THAT easy. :smachhead:

[Jocko]

Black and white to me

[JamesC]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there. Any chance of sympathy and they are all over it. However, as it sounds in this case, you just have a coach who's teaching his kids the incorrect way to play baseball at a young level. It really is a travesty!

[mjr_2013]

"Coach hold this bat for me"

---"ok"

"Now throw it to the ground."

---"... ok?"

"How does your hand feel?"

---".... fine?"

"Wouldn't it hurt if you just threw it to the ground?"

---"Well yeah, but my hand didn't hit the ground."

"I'm glad we agree, let's play ball."

[Jocko]

Yeah, but don't do that on the field. You're just if you humor this idiocy. Makes you look unprofessional arguing stupid s**t.

[Rich Ives]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there.

Most of them actually believe it. The myth is so ingrained many many folks really believe it.

[mjr_2013]

Yeah, but don't do that on the field. You're just if you humor this idiocy. Makes you look unprofessional arguing stupid s**t.

lol, no that goes down in the "Things we want to say but don't" pile.

[mstaylor]

The Hands myth is certainly one of the most entrenched of the myths. I would say,"You have to turn right after overrunning first" "The ball is dead on a bounced ball that hits the batter" and "A RH pitcher has to disengage to throw to first" are among the ones we hear often. A question I get a lot from coaches is, can you use a wooden bat in LL,Pony,HS, whatever level.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there. Any chance of sympathy and they are all over it. However, as it sounds in this case, you just have a coach who's teaching his kids the incorrect way to play baseball at a young level. It really is a travesty!

Travesty :shakehead:

[johnnyg08]

The Hands myth is certainly one of the most entrenched of the myths. I would say,"You have to turn right after overrunning first" "The ball is dead on a bounced ball that hits the batter" and "A RH pitcher has to disengage to throw to first" are among the ones we hear often. A question I get a lot from coaches is, can you use a wooden bat in LL,Pony,HS, whatever level.

One that I get is when it comes to base awards, RHP, "when he made the jump turn he was not on the rubber so that's a two base award"

[Jocko]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there. Any chance of sympathy and they are all over it. However, as it sounds in this case, you just have a coach who's teaching his kids the incorrect way to play baseball at a young level. It really is a travesty!

Travesty

Why does this particular word drive umpires crazy? If you use farce or mockery or something else would it be better?

[Jocko]

Tie goes to the runner, taking signs from bench, and my personal favorite, on a foul tip the runners have to go back.

[JamesC]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there. Any chance of sympathy and they are all over it. However, as it sounds in this case, you just have a coach who's teaching his kids the incorrect way to play baseball at a young level. It really is a travesty!

Travesty

Why does this particular word drive umpires crazy? If you use farce or mockery or something else would it be better?

I don't know, but if you look this word up on Yahoo! you will find that it traces to a very vulgar image! I don't know why/how they come up with that through this word, but they do! SMH! :big_no

[Jocko]

Travesty - a grotesque, absurd misrepresentation. Parody, farce, mockery, burlesque are synonyms. I guess the vulagrity derives from travesty being synonomyous with burlesque. Who knows?

[umpcoachfather]

Tie goes to the runner, hands are part of the bat My comment " when he bought the bat were the hands attached or did you buy them seperately? , Slide To Avoid (some umps say that at the plate meeting and I clarify), 1 base on an overthrow, Foul tip ball is dead. All hit batsmen get first base. Pitch that hits the ground and then the batter does not count, the ground can't cause the ball to be dislodged - if he drops it its still a catch (not sure if you guys ever got that, but I did twice) , breaking wrists for a strike, home plate is foul when a hit ball touches it, always safe on a base when a batted ball touches him, Bunt - no attempt and leaving the bat is a strike, he was in fair territory when he touched it.

[JaxRolo]

I think it all boils down to just about ALL coaches are gasping for air when they throw this claim out there. Any chance of sympathy and they are all over it. However, as it sounds in this case, you just have a coach who's teaching his kids the incorrect way to play baseball at a young level. It really is a travesty!

Travesty

Why does this particular word drive umpires crazy? If you use farce or mockery or something else would it be better?

I don't know. This whole thing is a Travesty! :fuel:

[JHSump]

Number One myth I hear constantly: "One base on a overthrow."

A variation: "one plus one"

The one-base-on-an-overthrow myth comes up so often because overthrows are awfully common. Everyone seems to think the BR gets second on an overthrow of 1B because "he gets one base." They see it happen all the time, and "know" why it happens. It just reinforces their belief system

"One base on an overthrow" also comes up often at the plate meeting, when ground rules are discussed. After DBT is pointed out (e.g., line extending a fence), a sincere coach will say, "...and runner gets one base" as if he is adding some obvious piece of information. Oops!

[bam]

The Hands myth is certainly one of the most entrenched of the myths. I would say,"You have to turn right after overrunning first" "The ball is dead on a bounced ball that hits the batter" and "A RH pitcher has to disengage to throw to first" are among the ones we hear often. A question I get a lot from coaches is, can you use a wooden bat in LL,Pony,HS, whatever level.

Um, the ball IS dead on a (pitched) bounced ball that hits the batter.

[Rich Ives]

The Hands myth is certainly one of the most entrenched of the myths. I would say,"You have to turn right after overrunning first" "The ball is dead on a bounced ball that hits the batter" and "A RH pitcher has to disengage to throw to first" are among the ones we hear often. A question I get a lot from coaches is, can you use a wooden bat in LL,Pony,HS, whatever level.

Um, the ball IS dead on a (pitched) bounced ball that hits the batter.

You're not up to speed. Wnen a coach says that they mean the ball was dead because it hit the ground before it hit the batter so the catter was not HBP.

[Rich Ives]

Tie goes to the runner,

It does. The only issue is whether or not a tie is possible.

[noumpere]

Has anyone ever figured out the origins of the "hands are part of the bat myth?"

One explanation is that the hands are part of the bat in cricket but whether thats really the source of the myth I dont know.

I don't know, but if you look this word up on Yahoo! you will find that it traces to a very vulgar image! I don't know why/how they come up with that through this word, but they do! SMH!

Its just in the image tags so it comes up. The word comes from a french word meaning disguise.

Um, the ball IS dead on a (pitched) bounced ball that hits the batter.

The myth is that the ball was dead when it bounced if it then hit the batter. Obviously (well to me at least) what he meant.

[Jocko]

Tie goes to the runner,

It does. The only issue is whether or not a tie is possible.

lots of studies have been done on this. My understanding is the human brain cannot process information fast enough. On the other hand, if there were such thing as a tie, it goes to the ........ UMPIRE!!!

[umpcoachfather]

tie can't go to the runner, he has to beat the throw a tie is not beating the throw

[SoCal Lurker]

tie can't go to the runner, he has to beat the throw a tie is not beating the throw

Here we go again . . . I'll save Rich some time . . . just where in the rules do you find that a runner has to be beat a throw? :fuel:

[Rich Ives]

tie can't go to the runner, he has to beat the throw a tie is not beating the throw

The throw has to beat the runner.

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

Same here:

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.