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If the defense is a clueless as the offense they might not appeal. Or, they might not be clueless and want to see who the next batter is. A later appeal might move them thought the top of the order. Then during the timeout the OC asks you who he should bat next. What do you tell him? "The proper batter bats next, coach" Disagree. If I'm asked a specific question like that, I'm going to give as specific an answer as I can. Maybe it's just "B2 (or #xx) is on first, so B3 (or whoever is after #xx) is the next batter" (especially if I don't have a line-up card). Not my job to tell the coach who he should bat next. Who he should bat next is up to the coach to decide. Really? So he asks a direct question... "is #13 up next?" and your answer is "you need to figure it out, I can't help"?

Looked a lot closer to 180 Deg. to me. Yes he could have backed up/gone around but how long do you need to dance before taking care of the sitch.

You poor bastard.

yup. I should be supervised when trying to use a computer. Thanks, 1

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I'm not disputing this in general, but in this play, if F4 obstructed R1 on the way back to 1st, I don't see how we could say "he would have been out anyway" if a play wasn't being made on him. The OP doesn't say who caught the line drive. If it was a hit and run and the F3 caught the liner then I would say he most likely was going to be out. So, if F3 is headed for 1st with R2 retreating from 2nd and OBS by F4 would this be type A? I guess by rule I would say yes, a play is being made on the runner it just happens that the ball is nowhere near said runner. So now I take back the probable out and award 2nd? I confused myself, 1

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1 huh ? why do runners most always slide on a force play...it keeps them from pulling a hamstring stopping a base over-run if they don't slide (same reason non-force play runners slide). Back up to post #7 for the correct answer. This OBR/Fed diff was another that I had forgotten. I just rolled into work. I guess I'll wake up before posting next time. 1

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1

4 man? Why is it that every LL wants to run 4 man in the Allstars with guys that work 2 man all year and are questionable with 3 or 4 man (me included)? It's foul. you did fine with sticking with it. WTH is the "Senior District Umpire" doing instructing you from outside the fence. He can talk with you after the game but unless you went to him he has no authority on that field. If the OC wants to protest then the TC can call Regional or Williamsport but it sounds like he was ok with the outcome. 1

That's a BS policy. Agreed. For me personally it's not a big deal just a nice little check at the end of the season... kind of a non-interest bearing savings account that the kids/wife can't get from my pocket. From what I understand the association will write checks now and then as needed. 1

All games through the local HS association (HS, summer, tourney) are paid once a year at the end of the summer. 1

If the R1 managed to get to 2nd, quiet as a mouse, before the F1 began his motion committing him to pitch or balk then yes he gets 3rd. Usually if there's a balk it happens well before R1 reaches as the D is yelling right away. 1

IMHO the "situation not the declaraton" in FED is for when the sitch exists (less then 2 out and force at 3rd) and an ump NOT declaring, not when the ump declares inadvertently when an IFF is not possible. Also, FED even has a rule for when a mistake by an ump gives an advantage and may be corrected. 1

I wear 3. I keep a small roll of wire and a pair of side cutters in the back bag to repair holes in the fences as needed. 1

Letter of the rule vs. intent of the rule. I think you were justified in the out. The rule is there to keep the D from gaining an advantage by removing/throwing/kicking equipment. That was not the case in your sitch. 1

18U. R2, 2 outs. B4 hits deep to F6. F6 attemps to look R2 back and then makes a poor throw to F3 pulling him slightly up the line. F3 catches and swings around attemping to tag the BR behind and beyond his position. I'm PU, I watch the play unfold and glance at R2 as he gets to 3rd turn my head toward 1st just as the tag attempt happens. BU then points at me and yells "DID HE GET HIM". Not at all expecting this and honestly not sure if there was a tag I gave a quick and solid safe mechanic and verbal "no tag". You are welcome to tell me what I could have done differently but my real concern is my BU coming to me instead of making a call and then if the coach askes maybe come for help, in private, quietly. Is there still a school of thought that is ok with the yelling across the field for your partner to make your call? FYI, when we were leaving the field he said he had to leave right away and got in a running car and was gone, so no post-game. Thanks, 1

How can you justify granting 'Time' if the walked batter continues on to 2B without hesitation? Not saying it's right or wrong but in any shaving age game a batter would never just continue to 2nd on a walk. So time can be handed out liberally. In a 12U or under game I can see waiting until the BR has reached. 1

NO: options: 1) either coach catches it while the incorrect batter is at bat and the correct batter takes his place and count with no penalty. 2) defensive coach catches it after the incorrect batter completes his time at bat and before the next pitch, play or attempted play; player that missed his time at bat is called out and the batter following him is up. 3) the coach catches it after the incorrect batter completes his at bat and after a pitch, play or attempted play; no penalty as the incorrect batter has now been legalized and the next batter listed on the line-up should be at the plate.

Not sure what maven means by promt. Could be simply announcing the count as I do whenever it's a decision pitch. ie: 2 strikes or 3 balls.

I too have "special" things in my car! That might be a felony where I live. Move.

interp to back this up? If BU in "B" is hit by a batted ball but didn't move is it not int?

This was a Babe Ruth game, not sure of the rule on the batting glove but in no way did I have it as a distraction.

Yes, you read that correctly. Did a game last night and one of the guys from my HS association is an assistant coach for this 15U team. First off: I haven't worked any games with him, he has been around a few more years then me, I honestly wasn't sure if it was even him until after the game and my partner confirmed it was, we are both V umps but he has been V longer. That said, pregame he asked to have the opposing F1 remove his batting glove (black), I told him I didn't have an issue with the glove and it could stay. He said I was wrong, turned away laughing. I brushed it off and started the game. Late in the game there were a few low pitches that I had as strikes. A few times I heard loudly from the dugout "a pitch in the dirt isn't a strike" (they weren't in the dirt but that's not the issue). So, after the game I came to realize that I most likely was this fellow official chirping about my zone. normally a little chirping from an assistance coach isn't anything I care about but as an official I would not comment on judgments of another ump and definitely not one from my own association. Comments on the batting glove and chirping appreciated. Thanks, 1

These situations can be nerve-wracking, but it sounds as if you got the call right. That's grade A right there. Other game management ideas to consider: You don't mention getting with your partner first, before talking to any coaches. On this type of play, both umpires may have input into the call, and it's not a bad idea to talk through it for a moment to clear your head and be ready for coach. This step is not absolutely required, but it is advisable for many umpires working amateur baseball. You've got your own team out there, work with him/them. When coach came out, you don't mention letting him have his say. We're all anxious to be right and announce what we've got on weird plays, but it's crucial to let coach have his say. He doesn't get to make the call, so let him go first: "Coach, what did you see?" If he saw something different, the conversation can start there. If he saw what you saw, then you can explain the proper ruling for that situation. Remember coach doesn't have to like the call, and probably won't, since it's going against his team. Remain calm, give him situation + judgment = ruling, don't get into hypotheticals, and "let's play ball, coach." On this particular type of play, expect coach to say, "so my fielder has to just disappear once the ball gets past him?" That's right, coach (resist the impulse to add, "...but a better solution is to field the ball cleanly." since sarcasm doesn't play well to upset coaches). Coach went fishing with your partner. If you two had gotten together first, you probably nip that in the bud: he sees that you two are on the same page, and there's no point going fishing. Plus partner's probably standing right behind you, having your back, and ready to rodeo clown in case coach decides he has somewhere better to be. How simple. What a great piece of advice. Of all the game management tidbits and words of wisdom about talking to coaches I have never heard it put this simply. I can think of several times those little words would have help a sitch in the past. Looking forward to using them soon. Thanks, 1